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Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **

On or off the hype train?

  • (off) Train has derailed

    Votes: 207 39.2%

  • (on) Overcrowding, standing room only

    Votes: 100 18.9%

  • (never ever got on) Chinese escalator

    Votes: 221 41.9%
  • Total voters
    528
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Gerard said:
They've said it can play games but gamers should wait for the rx card, so just have to wait and see why that is. If its the same performance and a lower price its still a disappointment no-matter how they try and spin it.
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It makes no logical sense that it'd perform like an overclocked Fury X despite having almost twice the transistors. There's something BRUK going on with these cards or chips.
 
Gerard said:
They've said it can play games but gamers should wait for the rx card, so just have to wait and see why that is. If its the same performance and a lower price its still a disappointment no-matter how they try and spin it.
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Thats the thing,if the top SKU is water cooled like the Fury X that could be another 10% extra clockspeed,so another 10% to 15% from drivers should in theory put this closer to an aftermarket GTX1080,which is still not great due to the large GPU,but at least it will be competent.

If they can magically get closer to a Titan Xp,even with higher power consumption and less overclocking headroom,then I expect people might be actually be OK with it as a whole.
 
nashathedog said:
They did give him the graphics cards but the build was still not done when they released the 2nd version of the Pascal and he asked them to send him another 2 newer ones for the build.



I suppose having hundreds of kiddies stroking their ego's constantly changes them :rolleyes:
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agreed, I actually used to like jay a few years back, he seemed very honest in his opinions and the way he talked to his audience. now? not so much.

like the Terry crews unveiling with the awkwardly long pause for the 'oh **** moment I dunno he just seems massively fake in comparison.
 
spoffle said:
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It makes no logical sense that it'd perform like an overclocked Fury X despite having almost twice the transistors. There's something BRUK going on with these cards or chips.
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We know why! Linus got to each and everyone before they shipped out!


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Phixsator said:
Problem is there are already games out there that will turn an i5 into mincemeat really quick. 4 threads is just not good enough anymore and the second someone uses a pc like everyday joe with whatever junk people use like chat programs and music apps and whatnot that i5 will be in even bigger trouble. I'm glad i invested in an i7 cause i dont have these issues yet but i won't be surprised if Ill see some issues within a few years. What is usually missing from these CPU benchmarks is CPU utilization and analyse of it cause you will need that to paint a more complete picture of performance now and what you might expect in the future.
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you're forgetting something.

we're all enthusiasts, it's why we even discuss these things on forums. 99% of gamers arent, they're people that buy prebuilts, or laptops, or a few bits stick them in a case and forget about it for 5 years.

most people are playing on 1080p monitors, at 60fps, with GTX 1050ti's/460s and low end cards, hence why they make up the vast majority of gpu sales.

for then, even an i3 is perfectly fine, even that will last them a few years hassle free.

they don't care about 60fps or frame times or anything, Christ I've forgotten how many times ive had to explain what the hell FPS is and how to use vsync etc.
 
Steampunk said:
I see where you're coming from, but until the product is proved to be good, it isn't good. You should never, ever rely on a product doing what you hope in the future, judge it on what you'll get when you buy it. Right now, AMD have to prove it's going to be good by making it good. Until they do, it's impossible to buy the good version of the product, only the half-assed one that's available now.

We don't know what RX is going to be like, we don't know what they drivers can fix, we don't know if the hardware is broken or fundamentally flawed, and it's not as if AMD have claimed anything different in this deafening silence from them.
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I agree. You cannot expect the product to be good out of pure faith. But one can hope it will be and is what i will be doing while being skeptical. Then again I am not that in rage if AMD "only" lands somewhere between the 1080 and the 1080ti as long as the price matches. One thing is for sure. AMD and launches are like nitro and glycerin. It apparently dont mix well :P.

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
The problem is these half arsed halo launches are tarnishing the AMD graphics brand for non-enthusiasts who are the larger market - all they see is driver issues and hardware issues,and they will tend to buy Nvidia instead.
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I get you and it is frustrating. Somehow whenever AMD has an issue the stink of that issue will stick to them for years and now they are certainly not helping themselves. PR is a foreign language to AMD.
 
nashathedog said:
A graphic's card reviewer knows perfectly well that Nvidia market the Titans as the ultimate gaming graphics card, sadly their ego's blind them to the fact that they're being fobbed off by their Nvidia contact because Nvidia aren't interested in giving 1200 pound cards to every hack reviewer on Youtube, Reviewers like Jay2cents get a Titan from Nvidia or a board partners every time one is released. It's nothing to do with not recommending a card like that for gaming, Nvidia recommend it all the time, The truth is they give them to a couple of reviewers and that's it.

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I've never understood this Youtube thing, can we get a couple to review. I thought reviewing meant you've to give the stuff back. Or is that the key words can we get them to keep?
 
nashathedog said:
He's been getting Titans to review since Kepler but after watching his whiney Maxwell Titan reviews intro I wouldn't be giving him one again if it was me at Nvidia,
He's got a very strange sense of humour and I'm guessing someone saw it and didn't get it.
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He also said in a video he would never go for titans again in his personal system...but sure enough. Must be nice to be a brown noser and get thousand of pounds worth of top end hardware. :mad:
 
V F said:
I've never understood this Youtube thing, can we get a couple to review. I thought reviewing meant you've to give the stuff back. Or is that the key words can we get them to keep?
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part of it is most of the vendors will let them keep the products, obviously depending on value (like they wouldn't give them £4000 quadros to keep)

most of these obviously cost much less at cost price, so a few freebies keeps the reviewers happy, and if they like a product they might display it in videos or even use it in their own rigs = constant advertising stream
 
spoffle said:
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It makes no logical sense that it'd perform like an overclocked Fury X despite having almost twice the transistors. There's something BRUK going on with these cards or chips.
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Gotta love that A1 perfect Tflops scaling when compared to the FX, I mean come on 8.6 vs 11.8 in pcpers test, though below the 13.1 tflops, that is just really bad
 
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6kdwea/vega_fe_doesnt_seem_to_be_doing_tiled/djld98t/

The reason its not doing tiled rasterization is it has not been "turned on" yet. Vega is using the fallback rendering method instead of tiled.

When it was first discovered that Maxwell used tiled based rendering there was talk about a lot of software that needed to be written or rewritten in order to utilize it correctly and Nvidia implemented that in their drivers.

Vega is using a predominantly Fiji driver and this feature has not been "turned on" actually all but one of the new features in Vega is not functional right now the exception being the pixel engine being connected to the L2 cache as that is hardwired. I tore apart the new drivers in IDA today and the code paths between Fiji and Vega are very close and only differ slightly.

This arch is a massive change from anything they have released with GCN. They built in fallbacks in the hardware because of the massive changes. Its a protection against poorly written games and helps AMD have a starting point for driver development. Hell even architecturally Vega is essentially Fiji at its most basic thats why it is performing exactly like it because none of its new features are enabled or have a driver published for them yet. It is performing like a Fury X at 1400 MHz because that is exactly how every computer is treating it.
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