Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **

[melmac]

Handy that after marketing it at gamers...

Just curious, where did they market the FE edition at gamers? All I see in any of the marketing is for work related stuff like game development, handling large datasets etc.

All I have seen from the gaming side of things is that, yes you can game on it, but if you are a gamer wait for Rx Vega.

 

[humbug]

Sorry bud, it's been billed since the FE branding was announced as a pro card that can game, honestly mate, I reckon this is one of AMD's usual **** ups in trying to monetise a Titan product and as per usual come off leaving AMD looking stupid.

With all this 'RX will be better' pr, they do more harm than good in the pro scene, but it obviously(surely) must mean any marketing overall is better than silence.

Pretty sure Raja did say the FE would be a great 4K card too.

I've never disputed that, the problem with citing the FE gaming performance as comparable with an unknown quantity "IE the RX edition" is a falsehood.

What is more, "Can" is very different to "Is" I "can" do a lot of things, i "can" wire a plug, i am not an electrician.

The FE "can" game, it "is" not the RX, nor are its drivers.

 

[melmac]

Did he? ^^^^ if he did he was taking about the RX given that the FE is not for gaming at all.



Most recently, watch PcPer's stream, he asked AMD for gaming drivers, they told him there are none and its not a gaming card.
Other than that, you are insisting it performance is indicative of RX gaming performance, the burden of proof is on you, you can't prove it, its just another one of your blanket statements.

Raja definitely said you can game on it and that it can be used for gaming. So that makes it a gaming card, but, maybe not as good as RX Vega.

So yes, Vega FE is for gaming. But if you want the best gaming performance wait for RX Vega.

 

[harney]

Sorry I misunderstood what you were saying.

No worries ...TBH i am more confused about Vega than i ever was ....14nm 280w and 1070 perf ...seems strange..also how much watts does HBM save over say Gddr 5 ect

 

[humbug]

No worries ...TBH i am more confused about Vega than i ever was ....14nm 280w and 1070 perf ...seems strange..also how much watts does HBM save over say Gddr 5 ect

Wait for the RX card to get reviewed. this is not that.

 

[nashathedog]

What do you mean by the creation results look OK?

The professional software results show.itbis way slower than a 1080 when the 1080 is using the appropriate drivers (P5000).

If anything the gaming g results are better than the professional results when correct drivers are used.


People mistakingly going about how Vega I'd faster than a Titan XP in professional software, when the reality is it is slower than a 1080.

You can't use a TXP with the professional drivers can you?

 

[zornyan]

No worries ...TBH i am more confused about Vega than i ever was ....14nm 280w and 1070 perf ...seems strange..also how much watts does HBM save over say Gddr 5 ect

I do have to LOL at all the people that said "that's not Vegas power draw (when the first pictures had 8+6pins) and it turned out it does draw 300w...

basically vega is a die shrink of the fury, with a hype train behind it.

 

[nashathedog]

One, no they didn't, you just made that up.

Two, nVidia say the Titan Xp is a work station card.

If you're on about the Pcper bit, I'm pretty sure I remember Ryan saying he asked and they said yes in reply. That said I stayed up late watching it and was I pretty tired.
He also said he'd contact them again about something related to the tests he was doing but he said he doubt's he'll get a reply anytime soon.

 

[humbug]

I watched all of it, yes to what? ^^^^

I do have to LOL at all the people that said "that's not Vegas power draw (when the first pictures had 8+6pins) and it turned out it does draw 300w...

basically vega is a die shrink of the fury, with a hype train behind it.

Vega has a tile based Rasterizer, Fury-X does not, that is one very big difference between the two, a hardware deference, Vega is not a die shrunk Fury-X, if you had actually watched the PcPer stream you would not be pretending to know all these facts, facts that are in fact wrong.

 

[Wrinkly]

basically vega is a die shrink of the fury, with a hype train behind it.

Have you researched nothing on Vega? It has completely new cores along with several new additions.

 

[tommybhoy]

I've never disputed that, the problem with citing the FE gaming performance as comparable with an unknown quantity "IE the RX edition" is a falsehood.

What is more, "Can" is very different to "is"

It can't compete with Nv's third fastest outgoing Pascal, I don't see how the RX is going to be a 'lot' better than FE, and at this point in it's no show, it could debut and get annihilated on a whim by Nvidia using newer drivers never mind newer hardware.

I bought one of the fastest out the box 1070's at launch for less than £410 last year, it's ridiculous imo that if you want AMD performance at that level they done an Nvidia move and milking their customers to stump up ~£1000 for £400 performance, if anything FE should have released after FX imo.

Just to add, although he chooses to spend all his free time coming on here and slating AMD, he's probably not far off the mark that RX won't be much better unless you count a handful of titles having AMD specific coding in them to give them a boost using unannounced new features.

 

[LoadsaMoney]

Raja definitely said you can game on it and that it can be used for gaming. So that makes it a gaming card, but, maybe not as good as RX Vega.

So yes, Vega FE is for gaming. But if you want the best gaming performance, thats Nvidia

Fixed that for ya

 

[five8five]

What have they done wrong here that you think they deserved to be attacked, they could not have been more clear, it is not a gaming card and its gaming performance is not indicative of the RX version of the card when it arrives.
They could not possibly be more clear.

Humbug, you're saying it's not a gaming card but AMD on launch day demoed it playing Sniper Elite 4!

 

[humbug]

Which card was that ^^^ ? the RX or FE? i remember it was not blue or gold.

@tommybhoy I bought and still have a 1070, i'm very happy with it.....

I'll just buy one or the other, i don't give a #### which it is as long as its what i want.

People pretending to be experts or somehow in the know and use that perception to rant complete and utter nonsense is actually what drives nVidia's pricing up and up and.....
Yes i too am sick of inflated prices.

 

[zornyan]

Have you researched nothing on Vega? It has completely new cores along with several new additions.

clearly they havnt offered any real world performance gains, as seen in the stream and multiple reviews

 

[pagepack]

it's ridiculous imo that if you want AMD performance at that level they done an Nvidia move and milking their customers to stump up ~£1000 for £400 performance, if anything FE should have released after FX imo.

I thought AMD recommend waiting for RX if you wanted a specific gaming card?

 

[shankly1985]

Humbug, you're saying it's not a gaming card but AMD on launch day demoed it playing Sniper Elite 4!

Demo it showing what it can do isn't the same has its mean focus.
RX main focus is gaming
FE main focus is creation, the gaming part is simply for testing. But it can game like AMD said.
It won't have the game to game ready drivers that the gaming line up get.

 

[nashathedog]

Why are people basing so much on raja saying "you can game on it"?

I can see you never bothered to actually read the AMD vega page. .

Try reading what AMD have said about the card and what their own information is without your own bias about on it.

When AMD driver section lists


And you decide No there isnt a gaming driver and reviewers should not test gaming the mind boggles.

The Radeon Vega Frontier Edition graphics card is going to empower the pioneers creating the next generation of gaming experiences, but it does beg one question: Can you game on a Radeon Vega Frontier Edition? The answer is yes, absolutely.

It does go on to say for just gaming you'll be better off waiting for the optimised RX but it does put the emphasis on it being because it's cheaper, twice. Yes it will be faster but I can't see it being massively faster because it is still the same chip, but we'll see.

But because this graphics card is optimized for professional use cases (and priced accordingly), if gaming is your primary reason for buying a GPU, I’d suggest waiting just a little while longer for the lower-priced, gaming-optimized Radeon RX Vega graphics card. You’ll be glad you did.

https://pro.radeon.com/en-us/vega-frontier-edition/

 

[Mauller]

I've never disputed that, the problem with citing the FE gaming performance as comparable with an unknown quantity "IE the RX edition" is a falsehood.

What is more, "Can" is very different to "Is" I "can" do a lot of things, i "can" wire a plug, i am not an electrician.

The FE "can" game, it "is" not the RX, nor are its drivers.

Although it does appear that the tiling rasteriser is not enabled in drivers yet.

 

[Jono8]

Some reddit user:

Raja:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/commen...n_technologies_group_at_amd_and_were/dhqmpq8/
Not that I have been watching all sources of Vega news lately or reading the FE's marketing, but that post sticks in my head. How much more optimized or faster? Lets wait and see.

I don't think many are in any doubt that the RX versions will be faster in gaming, but the massive question is, how much faster. The FE from initial tests isnt even at 1080 levels in games so it is a huge stretch to believe the RX card is going to suddenly be anywhere near the 1080TI rival that some wanted.

I think slightly faster than a 1080 is the best that can be hoped for at this stage, but even then it looks like it is going to have a 100w larger TDP so it will all come down to the price. If it is £400 or less it will be good. Anything higher and it will be a massive "meh" card.