Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **

[Chuk_Chuk]

PCper did show GPU utilisation (Wattman) and core clocks during the livestream a few times.

What was it like? I'm surprised that no images are floating about.

Well then, all this talk about tile-based rasterisation and other features being disabled is wishful thinking. Though there's still hope that due to the time it takes to certify a driver, what AMD did was 'get first stable version certified ASAP' where indeed all new features are disabled but at least it works, then some time later submit a newer version that has all of Vega's new gimmicks 'on' and that one will ship with RX Vega...

About the whole tile-based thing... I recall AMD called their tech by 'draw-stream binning rasteriser'. Are we sure this is the same thing as Maxwell's tile-based rasterisation? Maybe people were assuming it would be, but in fact it isn't?

Did you ignore the previous page. Tile based rasterization is disabled. Currently its using the same rasteriser as fury.

 

[Martini1991]

It'd be easy for AMD to sort out this mess in a classy manner.

One Firestrike run on an RX Vega as it is with a disclaimer it's not final performance. It'll either fall in line with the Frontier or it'll be outclassing it.

Publish it as some type of Facebook teaser.

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

Looks its easy to see what happened here. AMD had some internal schedule to launch by the end of Q2 2017,and HBM2 issues or yield issues already seemed to have delayed the card quite a while. Its quite obvious the drivers are not fully there yet,but they had to release something so released the Frontier Edition or basically their version of the Founders Edition and made some spin about it being a mixed usage prosumer card which can run non-gaming software but can also game. Then they decided to compare it against a prosumer Titan Xp, in non-gaming areas since it looked reasonable,to kind of deflect from the gaming drivers not being ready for the prime time yet.

The issue since they said it could also game,meant people also compared it against the Titan Xp and its come up short,but now apparently its not really for gaming.

If AMD had just basically been honest and said the gaming driver is only for testing only and does not support all the new features,and you would need to wait a few weeks for the RX Vega launch to get them,most of this drama would not have happened.

AMD needs to be careful with what they say. Rumors and bad publicity can make there stocks decrease but say something wrong and it will enter freefall.
Secondly do you think people care what AMD says. Just read these forums, with everyone ignoring what AMD has said; or putting spin after spin on it. Honestly if they had come out with that statement you know that people would have put a negative spin on it.

 

[harney]

I have watched the video, so have people at Beyond3d and Vega rasterizers exactly like Fiji does. I have literally shown you the webm people from Beyond 3D uploaded having tested Fiji and it's exactly the same as Vega from the PcPer test.

https://gfycat.com/InsecureEagerKingbird

Vega should look like the middle according to tests from David Kanter and Realworldtech

Thanks

 

[Erik13]

Thing is if he didn't do it , someone else would. Not sure about AMDs thinking on this.
They can't suppress the benchmarking of the card. They could clarify things regarding its performance though.

Again Kyle and his bs. Seriously stop bringing the only guy that liked Fx series from nvidia to serious discussion lol

 

[humbug]

Looks its easy to see what happened here. AMD had some internal schedule to launch by the end of Q2 2017,and HBM2 issues or yield issues already seemed to have delayed the card quite a while. Its quite obvious the drivers are not fully there yet,but they had to release something so released the Frontier Edition or basically their version of the Founders Edition and made some spin about it being a mixed usage prosumer card which can run non-gaming software but can also game. Then they decided to compare it against a prosumer Titan Xp, in non-gaming areas since it looked reasonable,to kind of deflect from the gaming drivers not being ready for the prime time yet.

The issue since they said it could also game,meant people also compared it against the Titan Xp and its come up short,but now apparently its not really for gaming.

If AMD had just basically been honest and said the gaming driver is only for testing only and does not support all the new features,and you would need to wait a few weeks for the RX Vega launch to get them,most of this drama would not have happened.

From AMD's marketing i see it as a workstation card, the Frontier Edition was never marketed as a Gamers card, people like PcPer treating it and proclaiming it to be indicative of a gaming card is inexcusable hyperbole click bait journalism and its that which is throwing up so much confusion.

Its the usual wars between mainsteam Tech journalists and AMD, PcPer (who are almost always at odds with AMD) say its indicative of Gaming performance bar maybe 8% and they do judge it to be a gaming card, while AMD say it isn't and to wait for the RX variant before passing judgement, who do you believe and who should you believe?

Is it really to much to just see the card for what it actually is and wait for the real one?

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

AMD needs to be careful with what they say. Rumors and bad publicity can make there stocks decrease but say something wrong and it will enter freefall.
Secondly do you think people care what AMD says. Just read these forums, with everyone ignoring what AMD has said; or putting spin after spin on it. Honestly if they had come out with that statement you know that people would have put a negative spin on it.

The main issue is they are pitching it as a prosumer card which can run non-gaming stuff and can game - its on their own product page. Nvidia markets the Titan cards as prosumer cards which can game and can do other stuff too. They then compared it to the Titan Xp in non-gaming areas,so its only natural tests will compare it in gaming areas too,and it falls short. AMD should know how to word its own pages better.

 

[five8five]

What was it like? I'm surprised that no images are floating about.

I think it was at 100% most of the time.

 

[humbug]

The main issue is they are pitching it as a prosumer card which can run non-gaming stuff and can game - its on their own product page. Nvidia markets the Titan cards as prosumer cards which can game and can do other stuff too. They then compared it to the Titan Xp in non-gaming areas,so its only natural tests will compare it in gaming areas too,and it falls short. AMD should know how to word its own pages better.

That is horrendously twisted logic.
What do you expect AMD to say? "it cannot play games" but because they said it can its open to be judged against a dedicated gamers card? and because inevitably its not as good AMD did wrong.... AMD are bad.

Good Grief they stand no chance with attitudes and logioc like that.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

From AMD's marketing i see it as a workstation card, the Frontier Edition was never marketed as a Gamers card, people like PcPer treating it and proclaiming it to be indicative of a gaming card is inexcusable hyperbole click bait journalism and its that which is throwing up so much confusion.

Its the usual wars between Tech journalists and AMD, PcPer (who are almost always at odd with AMD) say its indicative of Gaming performance bar maybe 8% and they do judge it top be a gaming card, while AMD say it isn't and to wait for the RX variant before passing judgement, who do you believe and who should you believe?

That is horrendously twisted logic.

It is marketed as a gaming card too - look at the webpage it says :

http://i.imgur.com/XDsphU2.png

Unlock your potential - "I just want to game".

Look at the AMD PRO page:

http://www.amd.com/en-gb/products/graphics/workstation/radeon-pro

No mention of gaming at all.

AMD marketed this as a prosumer card with LED lighting and they knew the gaming drivers were not up to scratch. They compared this to a Titan Xp for non-gaming so nobody can try to cry wolf if comparisons are made in gaming.

If they didn't want people to run games on it,then they should have not mentioned gaming and left it at that. None of this drama would have happened. Why??

They could easily say,look at our webpage we have not mentioned anything about gaming at all.

In the end we can argue until the cows come home,but this is the sort of fractured marketing which is costing them,and in the end they are the ones giving tech sites the ability to make clickbait articles and Nvidia marketing ideas.

Even if you are the biggest fan,making excuses for them is not going to help them as a company and is why AMD has much lower marketshare than even ATI managed during the HD2000 debacle.

 

[harney]

There are so many unanswered questions; which is why this launch is so darn frustrating.

If Vega is just a Die shrunk Fiji the performance we've seen still makes no sense.

50% increased clocks, 50% more TFLOPs, 4x the VRAM, smaller node; yet 564mm2 still. That leaves what? 60% transistors doing nothing?
Was there a massive reduction in IPC?
If Fiji was just die shrunk it would be around 290mm2 and if it was clocked to 1450Mhz it would match an Overclocked GTX 1080 in Firestrike; and a reference one in games most likely.

Vega was touted as having all these new improved features, along with higher clocks and IPC, along with a reworked front end to remove the Fiji bottleneck. Yet we're seeing a "Vega" chip at 1440Mhz barely able to match an overclocked 980Ti, and usually sit closer to a 1070 than a 1080.

Something is up here, and AMD is being extremely quiet about it all.

Agree ..

 

[five8five]

It'd be easy for AMD to sort out this mess in a classy manner.

One Firestrike run on an RX Vega as it is with a disclaimer it's not final performance. It'll either fall in line with the Frontier or it'll be outclassing it.

Publish it as some type of Facebook teaser.

Exactly, get the discussion on actual RX performance.

 

[Martini1991]

Exactly, get the discussion on actual RX performance.

Sounds too logical.

 

[humbug]

It is marketed as a gaming card too - look at the webpage it says :

http://i.imgur.com/XDsphU2.png

Unlock your potential - "I just want to game".

Look at the AMD PRO page:

http://www.amd.com/en-gb/products/graphics/workstation/radeon-pro

No mention of gaming at all.

AMD marketed this as a prosumer card with LED lighting and they knew the gaming drivers were not up to scratch. They compared this to a Titan Xp for non-gaming so nobody can try to cry wolf if comparisons are made in gaming.

If they didn't want people to run games on it,then they should have not mentioned gaming and left it at that. None of this drama would have happened. Why??

They could easily say,look at our webpage we have not mentioned anything about gaming at all.

In the end we can argue until the cows come home,but this is the sort of fractured marketing which is costing them,and in the end they are the ones giving tech sites the ability to make clickbait articles and Nvidia marketing ideas.

Even if you are the biggest fan,making excuses for them is not going to help them as a company and is why AMD has much lower marketshare than even ATI managed during the HD2000 debacle.

That's just yet more twisted logic to justify twisted logic.

"I just want to game" does not translate into "i am a dedicated gamers card" you're replacing what it actually says with twisted logic.

Its a workstation card that can game, nothing more. if you read that as "gamers card" your frustrations are entirely of your own making.

 

[five8five]

That is horrendously twisted logic.
What do you expect AMD to say? "it cannot play games" but because they said it can its open to be judged against a dedicated gamers card? and because inevitably its not as good AMD did wrong.... AMD are bad.

Good Grief they stand no chance with attitudes and logioc like that.

Humbug, you're in denial!

Did you miss this post? Straight from the top man -

Not a video, but from the Reddit AMA about the Frontier Edition. With current performance and drivers however, it's a far cry from "deliver smooth 4K gaming". 20-40FPS is not that.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/commen...gies_group_at_amd_and_were/dhqnsgo/?context=3

 

[humbug]

Who is gfxchiptweeter ^^^^ ?

 

[Martini1991]

In Raja's defense I assume it's *not* running the RX driver? But then that's AMD's own goal.

 

[Martini1991]

Who is gfxchiptwetter ^^^^ ?

https://twitter.com/gfxchiptweeter?lang=en

I can only assume.

 

[harney]

I think i preferred this thread & AMD when we had no info on Vega Now its just ?

Had enough of all this
time for GnT's and forget all about it ...

 

[humbug]

https://twitter.com/gfxchiptweeter?lang=en

I can only assume.

So it supports the RX driver and can game at 4K?

How do you read that as RX gaming performance?

Genuine question, how do you get from supporting a driver to an optimised RX Gaming GPU? the two are worlds apart.

Again, your bringing the frustrations upon yourselves because your reading into things that just aren't there.