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Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **

On or off the hype train?

  • (off) Train has derailed

    Votes: 207 39.2%

  • (on) Overcrowding, standing room only

    Votes: 100 18.9%

  • (never ever got on) Chinese escalator

    Votes: 221 41.9%
  • Total voters
    528
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jonjay said:
lol :)

Come on TNA, I made the logical choice and went Nvidia lol!
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My mind to your mind, my thoughts to your thoughts...

I can sense your desire to own Vega, you are suppressing your emotions. You are human, it is illogical to not to follow your emotions. You must immediately rid yourself of your nvidia hardware and prepare yourself for Vega which will set you free!

:p
 
TNA said:
My mind to your mind, my thoughts to your thoughts...

I can sense your desire to own Vega, you are suppressing your emotions. You are human, it is illogical to not to follow your emotions. You must immediately rid yourself of your nvidia hardware and prepare yourself for Vega which will set you free!

:p
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You shall and always will be....my friend....as long as you ditch this mentality LOL :)

Lets see what happens, we both been in the game long enough.
 
bru said:
I really don't understand why AMD would spend at least a year working on Vega drivers to only turn on certain features with only 4 weeks to go before launch, it makes no sense at all.
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I am loathe to agree but I do. It makes no sense to keep features turned off with the gaming Vega supposedly very close to launch. As proven in this thread, people's expectations are very low now and I imagine a few have already said **** it and bought NVidia. Hopefully AMD have just screwed up and gaming Vega will be much faster but not sure this will be the case sadly.
 
Gregster said:
I am loathe to agree but I do. It makes no sense to keep features turned off with the gaming Vega supposedly very close to launch. As proven in this thread, people's expectations are very low now and I imagine a few have already said **** it and bought NVidia. Hopefully AMD have just screwed up and gaming Vega will be much faster but not sure this will be the case sadly.
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Maybe that's their plan, keep expectations low then when the RX comes out it's like the second coming of 9700!
 
Gregster said:
They are hurting their own sales if that is the case but who knows? AMD do have a habit of messing up launches!
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Well to be fair, people at the high end are more likely to switch quickly anyway. If the RX Vega comes out and beats a 1080ti, I believe they would get the sales regardless. That said I'm not convinced that Vega will beat the 1080ti convincingly.
 
jonjay said:
You shall and always will be....my friend....as long as you ditch this mentality LOL :)

Lets see what happens, we both been in the game long enough.
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Haha. Yeah.

If AMD fail with Vega, I will soon be back to Nvidia anyway when Volta arrives :)
 
melmac said:
Except it's based on assumptions not facts.
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Yup. If the underlying premises aren't accurate, being based on incomplete and vague information, then flawless logic can still lead you to a bad conclusion.

nashathedog said:
If that is true why did AMD tell Ryan at Pcper that he had the latest upto date drivers and the only difference between them and what releases with the RX Vega is what get's added over the next 4 weeks?
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Was that actually said? Either way its vague and can be interpreted in different ways.

akarypid said:
I think the counter-argument to that is... why not?

Nobody really knows is the truth. It could be 10% or it could be 40%. It's just that most people are guessing towards the low end of that spectrum. It's still a guess though.
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Exactly, they make the mistake of choosing a number which is essentially pulled straight out of their backside but think they are being sage and reasonable.

The only sensible decision is to wait and see rather than invent facts. We will either be very disappointed or pleased come the RX Vega launch.
 
I don't even think the FE is running at it's supposed base ability yet, with it's current drivers. So to extrapolate from that the performance of RX Vega based on it's on paper statistics is going to always going to give inaccurate or underwhelming results

I think with the right drivers FE is going to be 10% better and RX 30% of what FE is now. Optimistic, i am.
 
If AMD are good at anything, its cocking-up.

They are all coming on twitter, this that and the other saying, its not a gaming card, its performance should not be compared to a gaming cards, which is an entirely different product, and a different market, the Vega FE is a professional card, for the professional market, yet they clearly state on their own Product Page for the card, in Black and White, as clear as day, that it is a gaming card.

I just want to game (i.e, im just a pure gamer, its all i do, game, nothing else, so can i just use the FE for that)

AMD, yes, just grab the drivers from here (which will allow you to just do that, and nothing else) and switch to the 'Gaming Mode'.
 
Gregster said:
They are hurting their own sales if that is the case but who knows? AMD do have a habit of messing up launches!
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Hurting their sales ? They haven't had any high end market for years to be able to hurt their sales in that market share... They didn't want gamers to buy the FE (they practically said it), like if they didn't want to screw over their gamer clients. And I wouldn't imagine that the market is flooded with FEs at the moment, remember they did say Vega would only be available in limited quantities at launch, was they talking about FE or RX ? I don't know.

The High end isn't the bulk of their market at this moment, and they are selling more 500 series GPUs than ever because of the miners. They are doing a lot of things, but they certainly aren't hurting their own sales, you can't really "hurt" your sales with a non existant card, do they have a non-quantifiable loss by not having a high end consumer contender on the market ? Yes they do, but on the other hand they also have knowledge of a quantifiable profit when it comes to Polaris at this very moment.

For every one person that decides to switch to Nvidia or was already on Nvidia and can't wait, there's another person who's just decided to wait, goes both ways... And throughout the life cycle of a GPU product there are many people who decide to build and upgrade PCs it's not just day one sales... So missing out on high end sales isn't really a big problem for AMD at this moment I believe.
 
LoadsaMoney said:
yet they clearly state on their own Product Page for the card, in Black and White, as clear as day, that it is a gaming card.
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Do they? can you link to that? I can only see one line about gaming and that's in the driver download section. 99% of the product page is about work/professional stuff.
 
Unless there's a mature and tested driver package specifically for games included, it's worth just ignoring any gaming results that are cropping up. It could be BIOS and Driver tailored to production at the moment, or not really worked on at all, which wouldn't be surprising now would it.

I'll reserve my judgement until review day and then about a month after release.
 
Steampunk said:
It's not a lie if the available driver is the latest driver available. Ask AMD what their best performing gaming card is, they will not say it's the RX, because the RX isn't released yet. Both are accurate and true statements, but they don't refer to the bigger picture or put themselves in the context of what's coming a few weeks from now. That's a deliberate thing, just like "we don't comment on unannounced products".
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The AMD contact told Ryan that the drivers coming with RX Vega will be the same drivers as we have been given with the FE now, The only difference will be the addition of any work they do from now till then, How is that not in context for what's coming in a few weeks?
 
nashathedog said:
The AMD contact told Ryan that the drivers coming with RX Vega will be the same drivers as we have been given with the FE now, The only difference will be the addition of any work they do from now till then, How is that not in context for what's coming in a few weeks?
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What if between now and the RX release AMD add/enable all the features that seem to be disabled in FE, and performance goes up dramatically? It doesn't change what AMD said, nor make it untrue or inaccurate at the time the statement was made.

"Is this the best you have now?"
"Yes."
"Will it be the same in a month?"
"Yes, except for anything we change or add between now and then."

Doesn't really rule anything in or out, does it?
 
Let's not forget that AMD had a very clear picture of where the competition was at. They've know what the 1080 performance is for over a year. Same thing for the Titan X that was launched last August.

What I have a hard time believing is that they knew all this and said "let's make a card that performs like the 1080, and release it a year later". I am pretty sure they would have aimed higher than that.

Either something has gone horribly wrong (if this is all the card can achieve) on the hardware side, OR there is a lot of untapped potential due to the drivers not using any of the new tech.

This is the only thing that makes me think we will get a nice bump (as in 20%) for RX Vega, with perhaps more added later as they keep working on these drivers.
 
melmac said:
Do they? can you link to that? I can only see one line about gaming and that's in the driver download section. 99% of the product page is about work/professional stuff.
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Thats it, 'I Just Game', which to me means (and no doubt to everyone else too by the looks of it), im just a gamer, its all i do, so can i just use the FE card for that, instead of the professional stuff, and they say yes, where as if you remember after the event that they showed it off at, Raja said, that if you did 'just Game', then not to buy it, he said to wait for the gaming one, the RX, which they were launching at Siggraph.
 
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