I said this right from the beginning. AMD have not communicated what FE is and what it is for. When misinformation is circulated, AMD have not dealt with it in any meaningful way, allowing the only info out there to be what other people say. A website makes a guess off the current state of FE that drivers will bring a max ten percent improvement, and all of a sudden RX is a failure because of it, when no one has one in their hands at all. Rmours, guesses and untruths become the narrative, and AMD does nothing to deal with that. They are just waiting till the RX release, and like an oil tanker at speed, they can't turn the ship because it has too much inertia.
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I said this right from the beginning. AMD have not communicated what FE is and what it is for. When misinformation is circulated, AMD have not dealt with it in any meaningful way, allowing the only info out there to be what other people say. A website makes a guess off the current state of FE that drivers will bring a max ten percent improvement, and all of a sudden RX is a failure because of it, when no one has one in their hands at all. Rmours, guesses and untruths become the narrative, and AMD does nothing to deal with that. They are just waiting till the RX release, and like an oil tanker at speed, they can't turn the ship because it has too much inertia.
All we know is that there is going to be a water cooled variant of the FE that has the option to use more power.
As for the RX model, it is supposedly worth waiting for, for gaming, and will be launched at Siggraph which runs from 30th July - 3rd August. that is all AMD has said.
As for the RX model, it is supposedly worth waiting for, for gaming, and will be launched at Siggraph which runs from 30th July - 3rd August. that is all AMD has said.
Fe is already very close to 1080, so i have zero doubts that Rx will be as fast as 1080. imho it will sit between ti and 1080 in terms of performance and with price close to 1070. That will have same ( or close ) effect as Ryzen . Adoredtv video actually makes sense, Amd is planning to catch Nvidia with Vega20 in 2018 not with Vega10
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How many times do companies not actually write down what you should do. IF 1080ti was the best card here, could they put that in the instructions too. Frontier is what they are selling, Im sure everybody gets thats on the menu today and the instructions are only relevant to that customer.
Companies all the time instruct their customers to use this product despite it not actually being the best performance. I'm sure it happens in the car industry & all kinds of product but especially everyone on this tech forum knows this is common practise.
Intel for years has been underselling their CPU technology, they could probably for a very similar price have given maybe twice the performance for the same price. They dont because in their view they make more money this way and there was a lack of competition.
Is Frontier a weirdly sold card, I think so and I've yet to hear from any actual real customer. Right now it being shelved into a certain position in the market in an artificial kind of way I think is quite probable. AMD might have made mistakes but it appears they choose to do it this way more then lacking alternatives, if anything they are constrained time wise more then potential performance I think
Companies all the time instruct their customers to use this product despite it not actually being the best performance. I'm sure it happens in the car industry & all kinds of product but especially everyone on this tech forum knows this is common practise.
Intel for years has been underselling their CPU technology, they could probably for a very similar price have given maybe twice the performance for the same price. They dont because in their view they make more money this way and there was a lack of competition.
Is Frontier a weirdly sold card, I think so and I've yet to hear from any actual real customer. Right now it being shelved into a certain position in the market in an artificial kind of way I think is quite probable. AMD might have made mistakes but it appears they choose to do it this way more then lacking alternatives, if anything they are constrained time wise more then potential performance I think
I can't see an 8 GB HBM2 watercooled card being anywhere near the price of a 1070 (Asus excepted).
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Well said, they really needed to be much more vocal about what FE is, and monitor reviews and social media, putting out fires as they go. Perhaps it would have been better to wait and release FE and RX at the same time to save all this guessing but they had a deadline to meet it seems.
@LoadsaMoney: I agree it's a mess to have the word game anywhere near the FE as quite clearly people loose their minds and suddenly it's a gaming card only.
In reality it's not really an issue, its obviously a prosumer card designed with creation in mind and you can play games on it.
Good video. Seems like AMD has never intended on competing in the top end (According to their graphs at the financial analyst day). According to a statement one of the bosses made, there plan is to offer significant performance improvement at a given price point, similar to what ryzen has done.
A good watch as he addresses all of the (conspiracy) theories.
I mainly just remember one of the slides put out around the time it was announced, a google image search for 'freesync 2 hdr' brings up the slides and sites that posted them, three of the first ones being...
https://arstechnica.co.uk/gadgets/2017/01/amd-freesync-2-price-specs-release-date/
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10967...improving-ease-lowering-latency-of-hdr-gaming
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3153...ing-edge-hdr-monitors-even-more-glorious.html
Bottom line is: he's expecting 1070-ish prices for slightly-better than 1080 performance (and a huge power draw).
Sure it's one way to sell these cards but still... a huge disappointment architecture-wise.
Pretty different from what he was saying a couple of months back when he was predicting Vega would be a disaster. This is just more guesswork and assumptions.
Is the 1080 twice as fast as the 580? Because looking at the tflops I'm assuming it should be roughly twice as fast as a 580.
His prediction on performance hasn't really changed.
Also your right it is more guess work and assumptions like all 214 pages of this thread. At least give a better reason for why you disagree.
Who exactly is "adored tv" anyway? He just seems to be some random youtuber that appeared a year ago with a stiffy for amd that now considers himself "tech press". If you scroll down his youtube list he used to do "lets play" videos but apparently now is mr tech.
I personally like his videos. He misses the mark more often than not, but that's always the case when you try to make predictions. But if you put those predictions aside (i.e. take them for what they are: guesses), his analysis is always useful.
I don't think it's fair to criticize him as he's always been friendly towards AMD. If anyone were to blame AdoredTV of bias it would be for favouring AMD, not the other way around.
Does it matter?
Yes, considering he comes off as if he's some sort of expert on what he's talking about. He could just as easily be wccf tech in YouTube form.
Well who is an expert, really? Salazar? Linus? None of them are!
Experts don't have time for youtube channels. They're busy using their expertise on real work.
Pointing out his lack of any facts and his conclusions based on nothing but guesses and assumptions isn't enough? Putting a video on Youtube doesn't suddenly make anyone an authority or expert. At least this thread doesn't pretend to be anything but speculation.
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