Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **

[zornyan]

Honestly, while the mining craze continues I have no intention of buying a GPU. I'm not paying 200£ over the odds (on an already milked RRP) it's just madness. I'm sure AMD and Nvidia don't care, a sale is a sale to them. But for me, it's a deal breaker. I was looking to upgrade soon but at this rate Sony or Microsoft can take my money for computer gaming. It's just the way of it.

you do realise nvidia/amd don't earn anymore from the inflated prices right? they sell at a stock price, it's the vendors that can charge whatever they want.

even if say, OCUK charged 2000 for 1080tis and they sold, Nvidia doesn't get a larger cut of profit, they get the same as if it was sold for £500

 

[nashathedog]

Regarding the price estimates being given - are they for the Fury X equivalent water cooled RX or is it the lower clocked air cooled Fury equivalent?

This is speculation and nothing more, plus hopefully once their new rendering method is working properly the power demands will drop somewhat.

I mean the prices being banded around are speculation, plus AMD are known to state TDP as an absolute maximum rather than how much it will use through standard use.

We can only guess at pricing but I think looking at Fiji pricing gives us a good starting point and that was £400 to £450 for the cutdown Fiji and £500 + for the full chip. I can't see Vega's equivalents being under these unless it's a failure. What needs to be remembered is that Nvidia's pricing has gone up since Maxwell, why wouldn't AMD's do the same?

 

[Sargatanas2511]

We can only guess at pricing but I think looking at Fiji pricing gives us a good starting point and that was £400 to £450 for the cutdown Fiji and £500 + for the full chip. I can't see Vega's equivalents being under these unless it's a failure. What needs to be remembered is that Nvidia's pricing has gone up since Maxwell, why wouldn't AMD's do the same?

I know it's not quite the same, but just remember how much AMD have managed to completely undercut Intel on the cpu side. Here's hoping it's somehow possible in the gpu section too.

*edit* It's also possibly worth remembering that the 970 > 1070 price jump was over £100 at launch, the 980 >1080 price jump was over £150 and the 980ti > 1080ti was about £200. There may be some milking involved in those prices .

 

[Nablaoperator]

We can only guess at pricing but I think looking at Fiji pricing gives us a good starting point and that was £400 to £450 for the cutdown Fiji and £500 + for the full chip. I can't see Vega's equivalents being under these unless it's a failure. What needs to be remembered is that Nvidia's pricing has gone up since Maxwell, why wouldn't AMD's do the same?

I think vega will be priced much lower than 1080 ... they need to factor in the 1080-like performance at a rumored 375W power draw.
Either ways if it has 15-18 billion transistors it is expected to age well.. just like the FuryX which had more transistors than its peers

The way things are going now..we may be looking at an uninspiring volta launch..nvidia will surely cut the GV100 in half and peddle that as enthusiast gear

 

[harney]

375Watt

 

[Armadillo]

I know it's not quite the same, but just remember how much AMD have managed to completely undercut Intel on the cpu side. Here's hoping it's somehow possible in the gpu section too.

*edit* It's also possibly worth remembering that the 970 > 1070 price jump was over £100 at launch, the 980 >1080 price jump was over £150 and the 980ti > 1080ti was about £200. There may be some milking involved in those prices .

AMD got in on the milking as well though. 380>480 was a decent price bump as well .

Also got freesync/g-sync know. If you bought in, both sides have you by the danglies now

 

[Angilion]

PC Perspective ran a test showing clearly that it was no different from Fury or Polaris in it's rendering techniques.

And there's lots of arguing about the validity of that test.

Besides, if AMD can't get TBR working on Vega after all the development time they've already had another month of refining the driver probably won't be enough.

 

[pagepack]

Also got freesync/g-sync know. If you bought in, both sides have you by the danglies now

Out of interest if I went 1080ti with my freesync monitor, what if any issues could I experience as framerate won't match the 144hz refresh rate? Don't think I could wait for Navi if vega is lacking.

 

[N19h7m4r3]

Out of interest if I went 1080ti with my freesync monitor, what if any issues could I experience as framerate won't match the 144hz refresh rate? Don't think I could wait for Navi if vega is lacking.

I'm on a 980Ti on a 144Hz Freesync monitor, now issues bar not having FreeSync on; which would be nice.

Worst issue you can get is screen tearing, if the FPS drops too much at times, or if it exceeds the 144hz.

 

[Rroff]

Out of interest if I went 1080ti with my freesync monitor, what if any issues could I experience as framerate won't match the 144hz refresh rate? Don't think I could wait for Navi if vega is lacking.

On some FreeSync monitors the max refresh can only be attained with an adaptive sync capable output device which is something to look out for. You can mitigate some of the effects of not having G-Sync or FreeSync using nVidia's FastSync but its not a 100% plug and play solution - might find some incompatibilities or side effects with it in some games or just not working with some games.

 

[silversurfer]

a 1070 is midrange and it requires mental gymnastics to read it otherwise, especially for the shareholders

1070 is high end. If we are talking Joe bloggs it definitely is because you can buy a whole console and some games for the price of this one component. Its not mainstream tech. Slowly surely it'll become that but not this year.

200 ish or less is mid, which is MSRP rx480 or the 1060 6gb. high end is just a very broad range compared to mainstream.

AMD literally lacked any actual high end tech, that was the thing. See this slide I nicked from scottish lad adored his point here is AMD in 2017 says they will not cover all premium but will later

 

[JediFragger]

375Watt

Almost as much as a 290X on 'Uber'

 

[JediFragger]

AMD literally lacked any actual high end tech, that was the thing. See this slide I nicked from scottish lad adored his point here is AMD in 2017 says they will not cover all premium but will later

As long as they can keep nVidia's pricing down to the realm of moderately sane then I'm good with that

 

[chroniclard]

Will be £700 with UK Tax, Brexit Tax, OC Tax.

 

[JediFragger]

OC Tax

It's ok, Vega won't overclock

 

[Sargatanas2511]

1070 is high end. If we are talking Joe bloggs it definitely is because you can buy a whole console and some games for the price of this one component. Its not mainstream tech. Slowly surely it'll become that but not this year.

200 ish or less is mid, which is MSRP rx480 or the 1060 6gb. high end is just a very broad range compared to mainstream.

AMD literally lacked any actual high end tech, that was the thing. See this slide I nicked from scottish lad adored his point here is AMD in 2017 says they will not cover all premium but will later

Personally I think this may mean that they will get into the high end for part of the year, as in they weren't for the first 6 months but will be in the last 5-6 months. But hey I'm still not convinced that Vega will compete with the 1080Ti.

 

[WeSbO]

1070 is high end. If we are talking Joe bloggs it definitely is because you can buy a whole console and some games for the price of this one component. Its not mainstream tech. Slowly surely it'll become that but not this year.

200 ish or less is mid, which is MSRP rx480 or the 1060 6gb. high end is just a very broad range compared to mainstream.

AMD literally lacked any actual high end tech, that was the thing. See this slide I nicked from scottish lad adored his point here is AMD in 2017 says they will not cover all premium but will later

That slide just means that they will only offer solutions in that market segment for half a year as opposed to offering a solution for a full year, hence the lesser amount of income in that segment for that year, AdoredTV misread that in my opinion.
As I mentioned in my comment the 1070 was even less high-end when the analyst day took place, as the 1080ti had launched, They 770s 970s where never considered high end cards, High mid range cards yes but not high end, you might think the 1070 was a high end because of it's inflated price at release, but in my opinion it definitely wasn't

 

[RavenXXX2]

 

[Gerard]

One thing we have to remember on performance is the following, according to nvidia Pascal took several billion to develop, amd would probably be lucky if a quarter of that was knocking around to develop their gpu's.

 

[TNA]

I know it's not quite the same, but just remember how much AMD have managed to completely undercut Intel on the cpu side. Here's hoping it's somehow possible in the gpu section too.

*edit* It's also possibly worth remembering that the 970 > 1070 price jump was over £100 at launch, the 980 >1080 price jump was over £150 and the 980ti > 1080ti was about £200. There may be some milking involved in those prices .

Most of that was due to currency changes. If you want to really see how much it went up, you need to do a dollar for dollar comparison to be fair.

One thing we have to remember on performance is the following, according to nvidia Pascal took several billion to develop, amd would probably be lucky if a quarter of that was knocking around to develop their gpu's.

Trouble is, people when buying won't care about any of that. They will look at price and performance. Most will actually not even go that far, if it don't have a GeForce badge, they won't even buy.