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Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **

On or off the hype train?

  • (off) Train has derailed

    Votes: 207 39.2%

  • (on) Overcrowding, standing room only

    Votes: 100 18.9%

  • (never ever got on) Chinese escalator

    Votes: 221 41.9%
  • Total voters
    528
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Going on the results so far, Vega needs to be priced under or at the same price as a base 1080. There is no point getting one over a 1080 otherwise.

Unless of course RX Vega is proven to be faster across multiple decent reviews when it is actually released. AMD are the ones that have to prove something here, not the customers.
 
lol... I have a 550w PSU of not the greatest make....

But the point is, for most purchases they won't be 'that' knowledgeable anymore. Most PC knowledge was lost many years ago for the average consumer.
 
Amd really need to price these right! Has am sure most you know I buy AMD GPUs but am not a mug and I will not be mugged off with over priced products.

I really hope AMD understands this and doesn't try and be greedy.
 
Scougar said:
lol... I have a 550w PSU of not the greatest make....

But the point is, for most purchases they won't be 'that' knowledgeable anymore. Most PC knowledge was lost many years ago for the average consumer.
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long as you run programs that only use gpu and 0% of the rest of the system you'll be fine;)
 
beany_bot said:
You don't say...

£100 everyone will buy it, at £2000 no one will buy it.
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You don't say :rolleyes:

it's key now more than ever for AMD to snatch these sales. It's not like the Nvidia brigade that bend over and take one whatever the cost. Nvidia know they can get away with murder regarding their prices they set, AMD will have to be far cuter with theirs. People are not going to be taken for a ride on these Vega cards if they do not fall in a very competitive price for performance.
 
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WeSbO said:
IMO judging by what they said during the financial analysis day concerning price to performance ratio (and we can ignore current prices and assume they were talking about MSRP prices coz this was before the mining craze that bought up prices), there are only 2 ways it can go, either they were aiming for 1080 performance priced as a 1070, or aiming for Ti performance at 1080 price, now considering the size of the die (even though we haven't got an exact size yet) which is bigger than GP102 no matter the exact dimensions, HBM2 being more expensive, and a beefy power delivery system being necessary (and they uses quality components on their vanilla cards), it seems highly unlikely that it will be priced at 1070 MSRP unless they have managed to use some magic pixie dust in order to reduce costs of a monolithic die (highly unlikely, and to my knowledge unheard of on a brand new die), so I can only deduce that they were at that time aiming for Ti performance while being priced as a 1080.

IMO for the RX vega to be priced the same as a 1070 it needs to have either a modular die design which would highly surprise me even though Vega is infinity fabric capable, or a smaller die with less transistors, but nothing seems to indicate that except that there seems to be a ******** of transistors on the Vega FE doing **** all at the moment when it comes to gaming (or only being useful for productive loads) and using a hell of a lot of power to power nothing lol!
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I don't think die costs are that much of a problem for them. The 14nm process by Samsung has been in use for almost 2 years now, so it's most likely quite mature and yields are quite good. Polaris yields after the initial shortage last year were excellent and Ryzen supposedly has a 80%+ yield. It should be cheaper than a Fury X to manufacture, especially with no water cooler.

They could probably undercut the 1080 by a decent amount and still make some reasonable profit. Remember Nvidia are currently operating on very fat margins, the 1070 should be sub £300 and the 1080 should be sub £400 just like with the 900 series.
 
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I don't think die costs are that much of a problem for them. The 14nm process by Samsung has been in use for almost 2 years now, so it's most likely quite mature and yields are quite good. Polaris yields after the initial shortage last year were excellent and Ryzen supposedly has a 80%+ yield. It should be cheaper than a Fury X to manufacture, especially with no water cooler.

They could probably undercut the 1080 by a decent amount and still make some reasonable profit. Remember Nvidia are currently operating on very fat margins, the 1070 should be sub £300 and the 1080 should be sub £400 just like with the 900 series.
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970 had a £350 release price

980 had a £550 release price

970 aib cards were at £400ish with 980s hitting £600

after the recent price cuts, you can get a 1080 for £500 or a 1070 for £350 (even these forums had a post when the price drop hit at those very prices)

you do need to factor in the pound taking a hit thanks to brexit effecting our prices, and the recent mining boom.

GTX 980 price cut when the 980ti launched was £550-500

so basically if you had £500 you could have bought a GTX 980, or this year a GTX 1080.

you get the same level of card (obviously much much better performance) for the same cash.

Nvidia pricing the 1080 at sub £400 makes no sense, it was a new node and only recently have yields improved (hence the new titan Xp)

and who in their right mind would pay £270 for a 1060 when a 1070 is £300? at that point if you drop the 1060 price you'd have to say amd is gouging prices too since their both very close
 
Sargatanas2511 said:
But if it turns out to be significantly faster than a 1080 why is it too expensive at $599? Bearing in mind there's not really any evidence the price is actually correct, but even if it is surely it's performance will determine whether it's too expensive or not?
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Pricing's been artificially inflated due to there being no competition, So if AMD come in now and price Vega based on Nvidia's current pricing we'll find ourselves stuck with a permanent price hike.
 
ljt said:
No they weren't. I bought an AiB (KFA ExOC) 970 on release for £280, Nowhere near £350
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Dunno what the release price actually was but someone I know bought a 970 for £295.99 fairly close to release - I have the receipt somewhere. They tried to return it over the whole 3.5GB thing but got denied :s
 
Rroff said:
Dunno what the release price actually was but someone I know bought a 970 for £295.99 fairly close to release - I have the receipt somewhere.
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I've just checked my invoice from OcUK and it was actually £259.99
 
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