Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **

[five8five]

Btw which vega was that ? It could be smaller one for all we know

I thought small Vega was AIB custom cards? Reference Air and Water are big Vega.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Long time forum reader, thought I'd finally sign up and post an observation. In the Assassins Creed Unity video, the CPU utilisation appears consistently lower on the Vega FE and the 7700K processor clock speeds are bouncing around. In the final ballroom scene the processor speeds appear to be all over the place, dipping down to 2.1Ghz(!). The Nvidia powered videos don't seem to suffer the processor speeds jumping around. Just wondered if this was potentially down to bugs within AMD drivers causing conflicts or whether there is more to it?

Good spot,I wonder why that is??

 

[Angilion]

My issue is dumping money especially at these inflated prices on an Nvidia product in the twilight of it's release cycle. Surely Volta is now only 6-9 months away.

Give me a good deal and I might be tempted.

6-9 months is too much time and that's just a guess anyway. By then it'll be approaching release time for Navi from AMD (that was mid-late 2018 on the roadmap, right?). So we'd be in the same boat.

I don't want to waste money, but I don't want to wait the best part of a year either. I'm still using a Radeon 7950 and it's nowhere near enough for the game I play most. GPU sits at 100%, VRAM sits at ~3GB, i.e. full, and FPS dips below 10! Granted, that's my fault for popping 116 mods on Fallout 4 and disabling settlement building limits, but that's how I want to play it. I'm in the fortunate position of having living expenses so low that even my minimum wage flunkey income leaves me with spare money, so £450 is ~3 month's savings. Maybe 2 if I bothered actually saving money.

But yeah, it does seem like an inflated price or at least too much for a graphics card. Given that a modern graphics card is pretty much a whole computer and would have counted as a supercomputer not all that long ago, maybe "inflated" is the wrong word to describe the price.

I'm talking myself into buying a £500 graphics card, aren't I?

 

[Rroff]

Good spot,I wonder why that is??

I noticed in 1-2 games the FE was doing something weird - in the odd spot the core clock speeds would suddenly behave differently to any other time followed a moment later by the framerate dropping low for a moment even if the clock recovered - if the processor has any kind of power management enabled rather than maximum performance set it will also clock down under the lower load if that is corresponding to less pressure on the CPU when that happens. At a guess there is some kind of hiccup with the HBM2 and/or shader caching that is stalling something momentarily at GPU driver level - I'd guess it will be ironed out come retail release of the RX Vega.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I was reading the AT forums Vega thread and there seems to be an indication AMD is using Samsung HBM2 since they are making 8GB stacks.

So I wonder does that mean,the RX Vega will be using Hynix 4GB stacks??

6-9 months is too much time and that's just a guess anyway. By then it'll be approaching release time for Navi from AMD (that was mid-late 2018 on the roadmap, right?). So we'd be in the same boat.

I don't want to waste money, but I don't want to wait the best part of a year either. I'm still using a Radeon 7950 and it's nowhere near enough for the game I play most. GPU sits at 100%, VRAM sits at ~3GB, i.e. full, and FPS dips below 10! Granted, that's my fault for popping 116 mods on Fallout 4 and disabling settlement building limits, but that's how I want to play it. I'm in the fortunate position of having living expenses so low that even my minimum wage flunkey income leaves me with spare money, so £450 is ~3 month's savings. Maybe 2 if I bothered actually saving money.

But yeah, it does seem like an inflated price or at least too much for a graphics card. Given that a modern graphics card is pretty much a whole computer and would have counted as a supercomputer not all that long ago, maybe "inflated" is the wrong word to describe the price.

I'm talking myself into buying a £500 graphics card, aren't I?

FO4 is a hardware hog once you mod it and start building large settlements,so from my experience of a GTX1080 it seems to be under utilised in my settlements since my IB Core i7 cannot keep up with everything.

But it also can push cards,so the GTX1080 is still better than say an RX470 or GTX960 at qHD from my own experience.

I noticed in 1-2 games the FE was doing something weird - in the odd spot the core clock speeds would suddenly behave differently to any other time followed a moment later by the framerate dropping low for a moment even if the clock recovered - if the processor has any kind of power management enabled rather than maximum performance set it will also clock down under the lower load if that is corresponding to less pressure on the CPU when that happens. At a guess there is some kind of hiccup with the HBM2 and/or shader caching that is stalling something momentarily at GPU driver level - I'd guess it will be ironed out come retail release of the RX Vega.

Despite the card being delayed it does seem like its not ready for showtime either!

 

[Rroff]

Despite the card being delayed it does seem like its not ready for showtime either!

Could simply be an incompatibility with power management/CPU scheduler and the Vega driver assuming it maybe only happens with stuff like C states enabled and/or balanced power profile set - I get something similar with my i7s in Frostbite engine games if I don't do the disable core parking thing.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Could simply be an incompatibility with power management/CPU scheduler and the Vega driver assuming it maybe only happens with stuff like C states enabled and/or balanced power profile set - I get something similar with my i7s in Frostbite engine games if I don't do the disable core parking thing.

Personally if it still in a sub-par state for gaming it might have made more sense for them to have done a RX580X2 on the cheap TBH,just like when they only had the HD3870 and HD3870X2,and just release the card for non-gaming purposes where it does look better.

Edit!!

Having said that it does make me wonder how different Samsung and Hynix HBM2 might be though,especially if AMD is using both for different cards.

 

[Rroff]

I don't get why they don't just use a tick-tock development cycle - surely even a shrunk Fiji with some modifications to the memory interface would have done better than this - save the Vega stuff until they could execute on it better - some of the advancements in Vega are nice to have but won't really be relevant until the next cycle of GPUs.

Not like Fiji is lacking any features required today and wouldn't need a massive performance bump to be competitive - in select games the FX can hang in with with 1070 even.

 

[triss]

6-9 months is too much time and that's just a guess anyway. By then it'll be approaching release time for Navi from AMD (that was mid-late 2018 on the roadmap, right?). So we'd be in the same boat.

I don't want to waste money, but I don't want to wait the best part of a year either. I'm still using a Radeon 7950 and it's nowhere near enough for the game I play most. GPU sits at 100%, VRAM sits at ~3GB, i.e. full, and FPS dips below 10! Granted, that's my fault for popping 116 mods on Fallout 4 and disabling settlement building limits, but that's how I want to play it. I'm in the fortunate position of having living expenses so low that even my minimum wage flunkey income leaves me with spare money, so £450 is ~3 month's savings. Maybe 2 if I bothered actually saving money.

But yeah, it does seem like an inflated price or at least too much for a graphics card. Given that a modern graphics card is pretty much a whole computer and would have counted as a supercomputer not all that long ago, maybe "inflated" is the wrong word to describe the price.

I'm talking myself into buying a £500 graphics card, aren't I?

You could also go the 980ti second hand option, 1070ish performance without the mining inflation

 

[Brazo]

6-9 months is too much time and that's just a guess anyway. By then it'll be approaching release time for Navi from AMD (that was mid-late 2018 on the roadmap, right?). So we'd be in the same boat.

I don't want to waste money, but I don't want to wait the best part of a year either. I'm still using a Radeon 7950 and it's nowhere near enough for the game I play most. GPU sits at 100%, VRAM sits at ~3GB, i.e. full, and FPS dips below 10! Granted, that's my fault for popping 116 mods on Fallout 4 and disabling settlement building limits, but that's how I want to play it. I'm in the fortunate position of having living expenses so low that even my minimum wage flunkey income leaves me with spare money, so £450 is ~3 month's savings. Maybe 2 if I bothered actually saving money.

But yeah, it does seem like an inflated price or at least too much for a graphics card. Given that a modern graphics card is pretty much a whole computer and would have counted as a supercomputer not all that long ago, maybe "inflated" is the wrong word to describe the price.

I'm talking myself into buying a £500 graphics card, aren't I?

Well be lucky to see Vega in 6-9 months, Navi is a pipe dream in such a timescale.

 

[Kaapstad]

https://www.techpowerup.com/235297/amds-rx-vega-low-key-budapest-event-vega-pitted-against-gtx-1080

Vega is starting to feel like dating your mates granny.

 

[JediFragger]

Vega is starting to feel like dating your mates granny.

Dry and flaky??

 

[ubersonic]

This is so sad its almost comical. The Vega hype train and RTG have derailed so badly that even NVIDIA is promoting them at their own events. This is most definitely the Bulldozer of GPUs

It's bizarre how willing people are to buy into this nonsense... O.o

If a news report came out claiming that Volta was only going to perform 5-10% better than Pascal while using nearly three times the power then it would be laughed off the internet, yet claim the exact same thing about AMD and people swallow it with ease.

 

[Broken Hope]

How can AMD be almost a generation behind, surely this is going to launch and then Volta won’t be long after?

 

[Brazo]

It just smacks of a company that is so embarrassed of what they are about to release on the world that they are keeping it under wraps, hoping for at best mediocre reviews and putting it to bed so that can focus on the next thing.

Or...

World class subterfuge!

 

[Yaayuh!]

*strokes my 1080Ti had since release*

Such a good win for AMD in the CPU sector this year. But what looks to be one hell of a flop in the GPU world. I'm disappointed but i really hope they push beyond 1080 performance at release, somehow.

Someone needs to take on these nVidia ******** for the consumer's benefit. Nobody should be laughing at this situation, everyone loses, except nVidia.

 

[Zeed]

So guys what did I say ??? This is Fury 2 situation.

Will be eating power running vs 1 year old NV tech. Only price can save it. All depends if its sub 500 with AIO ....

 

[doodah]

What a disappointing event, two weeks before launch and it really doesn't bode well.

 

[RBImGuy]

How can AMD be almost a generation behind, surely this is going to launch and then Volta won’t be long after?

Basically its a resource question.
fixing pascals pipeline cost more budget than amd has.
When you can throw money away you can afford to make cards specialized.
Ryzen swallow most of the budget and Vega simply put did as well one can expect,
they met their goal, 4k 60fps according to Raja.
Ryzen exceeded theirs.

Anyone with a 390, 290, 480, fury cards have a great upgrade coming for them with Vega.
comparing to nvidia with a budget that you cant match, amd did well.
sure behind in the power management as amd had to increase due to pascals fixed pipeline that caused the 2ghz that likely amd simply didnt expect. (none did btw)
Vega have great balance at a lower mhz with power and fps but as far it cant match the 1080ti but beat the 1080
I call that a win.

 

[Kaapstad]

So guys what did I say ??? This is Fury 2 situation.

Will be eating power running vs 1 year old NV tech. Only price can save it. All depends if its sub 500 with AIO ....

It will be difficult to compete with the 1080 on price as the NVidia card is a lot cheaper to produce.