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Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **

On or off the hype train?

  • (off) Train has derailed

    Votes: 207 39.2%

  • (on) Overcrowding, standing room only

    Votes: 100 18.9%

  • (never ever got on) Chinese escalator

    Votes: 221 41.9%
  • Total voters
    528
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Kaapstad said:
Just when things could not get any worse for the Vega launch.....

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https://www.techpowerup.com/235701/...l-features-for-titan-xp-through-driver-update

The fastest gaming card available just got better !!!!

Shame I have not got any professional work for mine to do.:(
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Nvidia staff: "Boss, we could improve this card with this simp...."
Nvidia boss: "NO! Leave it as it is!"
Nvidia staff: "Erm, AMD are releasing some possibly great cards"
Nvidia boss: "Crap, what can we....OH, release that driver ASAP!"

:rolleyes:
 
Fishbait said:
Nvidia staff: "Boss, we could improve this card with this simp...."
Nvidia boss: "NO! Leave it as it is!"
Nvidia staff: "Erm, AMD are releasing some possibly great cards"
Nvidia boss: "Crap, what can we....OH, release that driver ASAP!"

:rolleyes:
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Yeah even hardocp are basically saying how convenient the timing of this driver is. Just seems they either half assed the driver or locked something out until they seen the vega FE then decided to do something about it.
 
Fishbait said:
Nvidia staff: "Boss, we could improve this card with this simp...."
Nvidia boss: "NO! Leave it as it is!"
Nvidia staff: "Erm, AMD are releasing some possibly great cards"
Nvidia boss: "Crap, what can we....OH, release that driver ASAP!"

:rolleyes:
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Horrible company practices.... Considering the amount of money people have spent on these GPUs you would expect the Full feature set. Begs the question just how much does this company hide from its buyers.
 
Gerard said:
Yeah even hardocp are basically saying how convenient the timing of this driver is. Just seems they either half assed the driver or locked something out until they seen the vega FE then decided to do something about it.
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Yet amd getting performance later on is considered a good thing. Surely that means they half arsed their product from the start?
 
shankly1985 said:
Horrible company practices.... Considering the amount of money people have spent on these GPUs you would expect the Full feature set. Begs the question just how much does this company hide from its buyers.
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Alright shankly get off the soap box ffs, no news camera pointing at you right now :p
 
Nah sorry guys, unless you have worked on the card yourself, you have no clue!!!! Nvidia driver team have been working overtime since day 1 to get this 300% improvement, it just so happened to come out right after vega reveal.... We should be thankful for nvidia to be withholding this much performance, sorry, delivering this much of an performance improvement..... Nothing to see here, move along.....

despite many claiming to get the best on day 1 from nvidia's drivers

:o
 
melmac said:
I know plenty about how a PSU works. Do you how to read? I did say it wasn't overclocked. You really like to exaggerate things and make everything sound way worse than it actually is, RX Vega doesn't use 400W.

Do you know who Kyle Bennett is? He is the owner of HardOcp, the guy who actually has an RX Vega, the guy who is currently working on a review. So since neither us has a card and can't measure power use, I will take his word over yours.
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Feel free to also take Kyle's word that you can use a 500W PSU (/snigger) to run Vega 64 over AMD's official word.. they stated 750W *minimum*.

You say you "know about PSUs"... Do you know that a 500W PSU at full load will pull more watts from your wall than a 1000W PSU at 1/2 load? You knew that, yeah?

Did you know that a 500W PSU at full load will run pretty damn hot, and possibly be dangerous if run like that for long periods? You knew that too, right?

So let's get all this together...

You're happy to take Kyle's word over AMD's.
Your happy to run a 500W PSU at full load for long periods, and would recommend this over running a 750/850/1000W CPU at ~50% load. Despite the fact that it will cost you more in electiricity to do that (negating the saving you made from buying a lower-rated PSU). And you're happy to reduce the operational life of your PSU in doing so (further negating that cost-saving you made).

Good stuff. Clearly you know what you're talking about :p
 
Martini1991 said:
Yet amd getting performance later on is considered a good thing. Surely that means they half arsed their product from the start?
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As was pointed out before, there's a big difference between a few percent and 300 percent. Games will obviously get optimizations over time but to speed up an app by potentially 3x, i don't recall that ever being done in a game before.
 
Nexus18 said:
Nah sorry guys, unless you have worked on the card yourself, you have no clue!!!! Nvidia driver team have been working overtime since day 1 to get this 300% improvement, it just so happened to come out right after vega reveal.... We should be thankful for nvidia to be withholding this much performance, sorry, delivering this much of an performance improvement..... Nothing to see here, move along.....

despite many claiming to get the best on day 1 from drivers

:o
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The timing is uncanny... :p
 
shankly1985 said:
Horrible company practices.... Considering the amount of money people have spent on these GPUs you would expect the Full feature set. Begs the question just how much does this company hide from its buyers.
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Like releasing drivers with a gaming mode that does jack ****, which evil company would do that especially on a thousand pound card.
 
JediFragger said:
Nope, AMD used to be well-supported here (and ATi before that) but their sub-par performance over the years have seen more and more ATi/AMD fans become disillusioned and slowly the nVidia bias came about. Believe me, I've been here since '99 ;)
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It started with 8800gtx the shift was big.
 
Nexus18 said:
"over night" statement is a figure of speech....

I am sure that as soon as they caught wind of what vega FE was capable of, they would have been doing everything to improve their cards but again that is what, a few months at most despite people who own the cards and use them for such tasks that have been complaining since the gpu was released? And again, a 300% improvement in a few months at most? Yeah ok....

As uber said, it more than likely had the features disabled from day 1 in order for those who really needed the extra power for such tasks to cough up even more and get a quadro card but with the vega fe etc. coming out and spanking the titan xp for pro work, nvidia had no choice but to enable features/improve the gpu. That is how competition in the business world works.

If you want to believe that nvidia had been working on that from the start and that the 300% improvement update just happened to come out right after vega's release then be my guest :)

Also, don't people on here say about how nvidia are the best because you get the full performance on day 1 i.e. no having to wait around for months in order for the gpus to perform as they should have on day 1??? If it took nvidia this long to get 300% improvement then my goodness, they make AMD look godly in the driver department....
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that 3x is for a very specific set of applications and I very much doubt any owner of such card would suddenly decide to drop it and get a Vega instead. From what Ive seen so far it's not like Vega will be close to 1080 TI, or Titan cards so what you are saying doesn't really make sense.

It sounds to me like they did a very nice thing for owners of such cards enabling something they didn't have to do. Thank you, move on, nothing to see here.
 
Martini1991 said:
Yet amd getting performance later on is considered a good thing. Surely that means they half arsed their product from the start?
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I think is more the timing that makes it feel that way at least. With AMD it just kind of happens and a lot of the time people don't even notice for a while. Where as we have here is Nvidia going, hey by way we can get 10% more performance now by magic we had worked on this for months and now and look we are still massively ahead of AMD so don't worry.

That I think is why performance later with AMD is perceived differently. I am not suggesting the case here particularly but I can see why others may.
 
Jono8 said:
But it is LITERALLY why we in this country are paying more...The pound was worth ~20% more when the 900 series came out. That is EXACTLY why the 970 started at ~£260. If we had the same exchange rate as back then (~1.6) the 1070's would have started at around ~£300.

There is no disputing this, it is just a fact. : / Gibbo himself has said exactly this at launch of the 1000 series as well.

The cards are set at a dollar price. Our money is worth many less dollars now, so we pay more.

The 970 started at around $329/1.6 X 1.2 (for VAT)

The 1070 starts at around $379/1.3 x 1.2 (for VAT)

The 1000 series was tricky as Gibbo explained, because they had to be careful of the crashing exchange rates so there was a certain amount of hedging going on with the prices, with the expected and then confirmed plummet of the pound due to Brexit
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actually that's not quite true. We always pay more over here, tech usually has the same price as in US except it's in £ over $. It's always been like that, UK has been a cash cow for US companies. Brexit only made that a little worse.
 
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