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How comes nobody is talking about all the scumbags that the Spanish police just shot up?!
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uh oh, time to post this again, you sound just like Justin Raimondo.... (spoiler alert, raimondo loses the argument)
Everybody in the west is a target, it's ridiculous to claim this is happening because of military intervention. These people hate us and our way of life and their goal is to kill or convert us, that is all.
Pack it in, for once we are managing to have a fairly sensible conversation without it descending into the usual farce of bickering
That's just not true though, the community does come out and condemn the violence every time, just you aren't seeing that bit as often as it's not headline news.
And most of the success our security services have had at disrupting cells and plans lately have come from tip offs from within the Muslim community with people reporting their concerns
A lot of people seem confused as to the motives of ISIS. Their inception is related to the War on Terror, it certainly facilitated their creation. HOWEVER their motives, now they are established has nothing to do with military action in the Middle East.
ISIS want a global caliphate, a global Islamic world ruled by Sharia law. The lifestyle of a country, the simple fact it is secular and democratic is enough to make it a target. It doesn't have to be anything a country has done militarily.
Yep, they hate everyone equally by the looks of it, I mean they have even been attacking places in China!
The world does need to come together and wipe this blight off the face of the earth, which we are doing slowly, but until we tackle the issue of the big players they have supporting them, this is going to drag one for quite some time.
The world does need to come together and wipe this blight off the face of the earth, which we are doing slowly, but until we tackle the issue of the big players they have supporting them, this is going to drag one for quite some time.
What scares me the most are the statistics out there detailing support/apathy or indifference to the events that are going on within the Muslim community.
This is why I question their support, and in respect of a 'tip off' (serious question) without Sigma putting a childish Google link response is there any evidence of this?Surely the security services would never reveal the source of their information....if kind of defeats the point.
No, with that incident recently when the security services stormed the house in London (?) and the woman got shot, they openly said the info came from a tip off from a relative. And that's not the only one. It's not all CSI, the security services/police always rely on tip offs 
I know the poll you are referring to, but I don't think it was quite as obvious an interpretation put on the results. EG: I can understand why some people get radicalised when they see images of innocent men woman and children being blown apart as 'collateral damage' as we so sanitise it and then other people twisting that into a message of hate, but it doesn't mean I agree or sympathise with their actions at all.
What's that saying, To understand is not to excuse? (or something like that)
I know the poll you are referring to, but I don't think it was quite as obvious an interpretation put on the results. EG: I can understand why some people get radicalised when they see images of innocent men woman and children being blown apart as 'collateral damage' as we so sanitise it and then other people twisting that into a message of hate, but it doesn't mean I agree or sympathise with their actions at all.
What's that saying, To understand is not to excuse? (or something like that)
A lot of tip-offs come from the Muslim community, but in the past the police didn't do anything about it because they didn't want to look "racist".
Recently the mosques have been refusing to bury dead terrorists, which could act as a deterent. Apparently it means they don't get in to heaven or some nonsense
From the BBC
"The explosive belts worn by attackers killed by police in the Catalan resort town of Cambrils were fake"
Glad the scum are dead. Just one more to kill.
I wonder how many of the 9,000 people have that has arrived in Spain so far this year are muslim terrorists.
"The explosive belts worn by attackers killed by police in the Catalan resort town of Cambrils were fake"
Glad the scum are dead. Just one more to kill.
I wonder how many of the 9,000 people have that has arrived in Spain so far this year are muslim terrorists.
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I think you tackle it from all sides.
Direct assaults against strong points.
Political will change, to allow for diversification and a removal of reliance on the middle east for oil plastics etc.
Take their funding, don't allow nations with links to ISIS to invest and buy up land, companies and football teams.
Stop using their products, don't holiday there, don't buy their services, don't fly on their airlines.
Education of the masses, education is the best method of making people look around and see how absurd the entire concept of jihad is.
Direct assaults against strong points.
Political will change, to allow for diversification and a removal of reliance on the middle east for oil plastics etc.
Take their funding, don't allow nations with links to ISIS to invest and buy up land, companies and football teams.
Stop using their products, don't holiday there, don't buy their services, don't fly on their airlines.
Education of the masses, education is the best method of making people look around and see how absurd the entire concept of jihad is.
The crusades were at least partly a defensive war against the first round of Islamic aggression. Islam was created for war, existed for war from the start and is an almost perfect tool for war as a result. About two-thirds of Christian territory worldwide was conquered by Islam in its initial war of aggression on everyone, which got as far as Tours (~200km from Paris) before being stopped by a strong enough army with a skilled enough commander. Centuries of attacks, slaving raids and constant threat later, the remaining Christian countries unified enough to fight back with some degree of success. The crusades weren't the abject failure you say they were, since they resulted in some of the lost land being retaken (Spain) and some reduction in the threat of further conquest.
If you're looking at historical "meddling" being the cause, then it's...inaccurate...to ignore the historical "meddling" that was the initial cause in order to put the blame solely on one side. It's fashionable to do so, but it's extremely wrong.
The initial Islamic aggression conquered Spain but failed to conquer anywhere else in Europe (that came centuries later with the fall of the Eastern Roman/Byzantine empire). That makes Spain a specific target for the continuing Islamic aggression, which as always has the goal of conquering the world. Retaking Spain would be a useful propaganda move. In a larger sense, everywhere is an obvious target because the target is everywhere. Global conquest is the goal, so everywhere is an obvious target.
Good, it at least shows these are probably opportunist scum with little actual support or funding behind them from any central network and not a well resourced terrorist cell.
They are saying on the news that these lot weren't known to security services (that may change of course)
If you are meaning the migrants coming on boats, I honestly wouldn't think that many if any? If you are a terrorist determined to infiltrate Europe, you are going to find a better and easier way to come over than risk your life doing it that way - these people are desperate, hence they put their lives at risk to make that journey, and be exploited by traffickers
Absolutely, unfortunately there is no quick fix for this
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Well theres dozens of jihadi groups already, and when ISIS finally get smashed out of Raqqa (which is happening as we speak) I expect attacks like these to increase as some fighters try to escape.
Then theres Nigeria..... we're in for a long battle with these people.
I would think there is a lot as IS said last year this is what they would do when they start losing.
Roll on 2019 when these people won't ever get in to the UK.
"Seven of the attackers, who killed 130 people and left more than 360 others injured, slipped through Hungary's borders while posing as migrants"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...tackers-used-migration-routes-to-enter-europ/
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I guess you haven't been following the news too closely?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40957301
Yea, well IS say a lot. I don't doubt they want to send terrororist to infiltrate everywhere, but if they were doing it, why are all these attacks done by native people brought up in that country and not Syrians, Iraqis, Saudi Arabians etc?
What they do seem to be doing is brutalising children and sending them over wanting them to act as terrorists, which this made some pretty grim reading this morning
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/an_education_in_terror
You just can't imagine how traumatised a child is going to be after being brought up like that
And as for 2019, I see you've not been keeping up with the news, no border checks and visa free travel for people travelling from Europe from 2019
