Barcelona Incident

Have to agree with deuse, by allowing thousands of migrants (of which a larger proportion are economic migrants and not refugees) you automatically increase the risk that those you allow in those who harbor terrorist intentions whether they be trained in the middle east or radicalized in the host country.

The report about the increase migrants making their way into Spain merely 12 hours before these attacks has a macabre irony about it in my opinion.

a lot of these migrants will be given citizenship in a few years time and then they will emigrate here....

And the UK government want to allow people in without visas and no hard border between Northern Ireland and the Republic.
 
ISIS don't want to destroy us with the attacks per-se, they want to divide us so that we become more anti-Islamic and thereby push more muslim people to their side.

It's a vicious circle of hate.
 
Freakbro said:
That is fake news that has been debunked many many times
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Surely if a migrant is resident in an EU country for a number of years they can apply for Citizenship?

Maybe I am wrong, my knowledge of this area is lacking but i thought generally that is still how it worked after a period of 5-10 years?
 
Freakbro said:
Yea, well IS say a lot. I don't doubt they want to send terrororist to infiltrate everywhere, but if they were doing it, why are all these attacks done by native people brought up in that country and not Syrians, Iraqis, Saudi Arabians etc?

What they do seem to be doing is brutalising children and sending them over wanting them to act as terrorists, which this made some pretty grim reading this morning :(

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/an_education_in_terror

You just can't imagine how traumatised a child is going to be after being brought up like that

And as for 2019, I see you've not been keeping up with the news, no border checks and visa free travel for people travelling from Europe from 2019 ;)
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Stop being an apologist for pixi gods sake. I left a link proving my point but you (as normal) come back with excuses.
 
Cold Fusion said:
Surely if a migrant is resident in an EU country for a number of years they can apply for Citizenship?
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It's nowhere as simple as that. It doesn't just rely on the length of time they are there, but they have to show they are economically active, have learnt the language, integrated, passed citizenship tests (a bit of a joke I know) etc etc

And this can be after 5 or even up to 8 years.

So it doesn't make any logical sense that someone is going to build their life in say Germany, put down roots, get a job, then when they 'maybe' get citizenship they immediately up sticks and all flood to Britain.
 
deuse said:
Stop being an apologist for pixi gods sake. I left a link proving my point but you (as normal) come back with excuses.
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Here we go, didn't take you long to descend to name calling again....and I was trying to converse with you sensibly.

I have absolutely no idea how you can interpret my post as an 'apologist' but then since you want to descend into petty squabbling, I have no idea how you manage to interpret anything

I even said if they are going to send people to infiltrate countries they will do it in a far safer way then sending people in boats across the med - which is exactly what they have done in the link you provided (which you added after I replied so didn't see it)
 
 
Freakbro said:
Yep, they hate everyone equally by the looks of it, I mean they have even been attacking places in China!

The world does need to come together and wipe this blight off the face of the earth, which we are doing slowly, but until we tackle the issue of the big players they have supporting them, this is going to drag one for quite some time.
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China's understandable to some extent though. They quite heavily oppress Muslims in certain regions. There's also an area I believe that wishes to become an independent Muslim state.
 
Freakbro said:
Here we go, didn't take you long to descend to name calling again....and I was trying to converse with you sensibly.

I have absolutely no idea how you can interpret my post as an 'apologist' but then since you want to descend into petty squabbling, I have no idea how you manage to interpret anything

I even said if they are going to send people to infiltrate countries they will do it in a far safer way then sending people in boats across the med - which is exactly what they have done in the link you provided (which you added after I replied so didn't see it)
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You always come back with excuses as to why\how\blame. Even when facts say other wise.
 
I do agree that the refugee and migrant crisis has exacerbated the problem, either that or its a complete coincidence that terrorism has increased in its regularity since Europe opened its doors so to speak.

It was always going to be a risk.

I honestly do not see any solution to this because love and solidarity doesnt seem to stop it. Candles and hashtags dont seem to do a lot either.

1)The west actively engages in war with every muslim country that a previous terrorist has his or her origins from? Unpractical, unethical, and it would simply make the problem worse.

2)Inject steroids into the 'Trump' method and ban all muslims from entering western soil for ever? Unpractical and unethical with a lot of collateral damage, and it could make the problem worse by alienating those peaceful muslims that do live in the west.

3)Everyone converts to Islam.......err yeah.....

There is no solution that is viable that I can see.

I am not on the left, but I am certainly not far right. My question is how many more of these 'incidents' will it take before the western mentality snaps and we have a religious war on our hands. The anti-muslim rhetoric is growing day by day because its hard not to associate the massacre of our people with Islam when the driver is yelling Allahu Akbar.

Serious question though and I dont want to call anyone a terrorist apologist because everyone whatever their viewpoint is horrified by this.

My question is though for those that are more tolerant and perhaps understanding of the Islam problem than I am, when do you say enough is enough??

How many more incidents do you have to witness before you snap? Is there an end to your tolerance with this before you turn around and say that we need some hard measures?

Do you believe that we can go on as we are? Do you believe that the action or inaction (whatever your side of the coin) that our leaders are portraying is enough? Or is this a way of life that you accept that we have to accept?
 
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