Barcelona Incident

[Paul_cz]

That's not the point. Yes, some religions do have more violent adherents than others. However, if you got rid of their religions they'd find some other outlet, excuse, whatever for their violence.

Billion. I think you mean 1.8 billion.

In any event, I am not saying some religions are toxic. Islam certainly is toxic. What I am saying is that even without religion, there'd still be conflict, because its a fundamental part of the human experience. And frankly eternal peace is not desirable.

Also, these.

Of course people would still find conflict and resolve that conflict, sometimes violently.

But there is a huge difference between conflict over, say, resources or territory, and religion-driven conflict.

Even when terrorists like IRA or ETA kill civilians, killing civilians is not their primary goal. It is a horrible means to a different end. Whereas with Islam-driven terrorists, killing infidels is their primary goal because they believe they are doing it for their god and will be rewarded for it.

And again, there are countries in europe and elsewhere where none of these insane mass murderous attacks are happening. And they all have one thing in common.

 

[Smokey Deza]

Maybe because somebody with even a couple of brain cells can understand that people here can easily relate with a family being on holiday?

You speak of intelligence, yet respond with something completely nonsensical in reference to what I wrote. K.

You make it sound like our armed forces are hunting Middle Eastern families for sport - shame on you.

I don't sound like that at all. I merely pointed out that people are quick to jump to the moral high ground when it's one of our own, yet are ok to blindly fund the destruction of other families 1000s of miles away.

Find some stats and show us.

This just reinforces my above comment.

 

[StriderX]

You make it sound like our armed forces are hunting Middle Eastern families for sport - shame on you.

Personally it is something I've followed quite a bit - the displacement of families, etc. in these war zones - I've a couple of friends who are involved in programs to help these people in the region and donate to their cause.

Well our armed forces might not be, but the echelons of power certainly are, after all they need to justify their expenditure and existence. Then again the soldier is still culpable, as has been gathered from several wars now, just because it was an order, it doesn't absolve them.

 

[SpeedFreak]

You speak of intelligence, yet respond with something completely nonsensical in reference to what I wrote. K.

Let me try again

Why is there always a massive discussion every time there's a terrorist attack?

Assuming you mean attacks in Europe, it is because we can relate to the victims, quite often coming from the same towns and cities as them, or having visited the places being targetted.

I read the headline, something like 'van hits crowd of pedestrians'. I thought, 'Oh, probably another terrorist has ran some people over'.

I didn't even read it.

Your choice, I wish you had done the same with this thread to be honest.

And the hypocrisy of some people here. 'Oh that poor British kid - what a shame RIP.

When you see this in the news, do you wonder how many families in the Middle East our war planes have destroyed. How many of their children we've killed?

There is nothing hypocritical in talking about the victims of the incident in Barcelona in the thread created to discuss it. If you take offence to the lack of threads about victims of conflict in the middle east and worldwide, feel free to create them and I am sure people here will contibute with compassion and respect.

 

[Amp34]

Holy ****, Amp34 is right! Watch the skies, check under your beds, there's literally fash everywhere!

Thanks for reaffirming your point.

Bit wasted though as I already changed my viewpoint earlier when you provided those other links.

There's idiots everywhere (person in the link, not you).

In other news it looks like the vehicle rental industry and government are looking into seeing if they can hook their systems up to police and security service lists. That way suspicious people can be flagged and refused the hire of a vehicle if needed.

Seems a reasonable and proportionate response to the issue, which won't inconvenience a majority just because of their name or religion and cover all terrorist suspects, not just those form some people "favourite" religion.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.sta...ter-barcelona-terror-attack-a3615711.html?amp

 

[Destination]

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...-attack/ar-AAqopVO?li=AAmiR2Z&ocid=spartanntp
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40993651
Daughter a similar age, going there next week.

No matter the utter derailment of this thread, for posts that are right and post that are utterly retarded
This would be utterly abhorrent.

**** you Islamists.
May your bones rot.

 

[Irish_Tom]

Far too much sense for this forum mate.

I don't really know where I stand politically. I've had quite a change of heart after the last election. Voted Tory but probably never again, I think Corbyn has said a lot of sensible things that I hadn't thought of before the election.

I don't agree with everything he says but I think he's promising real change that will benefit a lot of people. I get called "communist" or "Marxist" for that but I'd rather live in a country like Finland or Norway than the USA which is where we're going. Those countries seem to function just fine.

I agree - it's difficult with Corbyn, in some respects he does talk a lot of sense; reducing inequality etc. I'm just not sure he (or his cabinet) are capable of running the country effectively or delivering all they promise.

 

[VincentHanna]

I'm just not sure he (or his cabinet) are capable of running the country effectively or delivering all they promise.

Neither are the Tories....

 

[Irish_Tom]

Neither are the Tories....

Oh don't get me wrong; I'd rather see Labour in power than the Conservatives but neither party completely reflects my political views.

 

[CorrectHorseBattery]

The thing is though if they were elected the naysayers would be lining up to have positions in the Government which would undo potential problems quite a bit.

 

[Destination]

Any chance you might discuss the topic.
Frankly, I am disgusted.
There have been deaths, there have been British deaths.
I might not proclaim to be the most 'British' amongst our little gathering, but arguing our labour versus the conservatives where the public have had their say several times in the past 20 months is becoming irksome in a thread that isn't remotely related.

As I said before:
**** you ISIS, may your bones rot. People of the democratic world will never be afraid of your insanity, never submit to your subjugation, and never waver in the pursuit of what it proper.
No matter the behaviour of our elected retards of the DUP and other government figures.

 

[G-MAN2004]

And the hypocrisy of some people here. 'Oh that poor British kid - what a shame RIP.

When you see this in the news, do you wonder how many families in the Middle East our war planes have destroyed. How many of their children we've killed?

I think not.

It's sort of expected in the dusty crapholes they come from. Not on holiday in one of the world's top cities.

 

[VincentHanna]

I've already said many things about the attack, including:

Really proud of the Spanish in Barcelona for having all the bars open in Las ramblas (and full) the day after the terrorist attack. The square was full as well

Best reaction to a terror attack IMO...that and killing the terrorists

Are you saying im for some reason not allowed to respond to anyone else's post on a discussion forum?

 

[StriderX]

So you support killing people then?

A dead a terrorist can't talk.

 

[VincentHanna]

I support killing terrorists that are an obvious and immediate threat, yes.

There was an actual shootout with police. The authorities didn't just shoot first and ask questions later.

How lefty liberal of me.

 

[Freakbro]

It's sort of expected in the dusty crapholes they come from. Not on holiday in one of the world's top cities.

For a start that's horrendously callous and secondly hopelessly naive. If you hadn't noticed we are at war with a terrorist group called ISIS, and they use guerilla tactics to attack civilians in major western cities (as well as many other places in the world). And this is going to continue for a long time to come.

 

[G-MAN2004]

For a start that's horrendously callous and secondly hopelessly naive. If you hadn't noticed we are at war with a terrorist group called ISIS, and they use guerilla tactics to attack civilians in major western cities (as well as many other places in the world). And this is going to continue for a long time to come.

Yes, and I'm saying it's a lot more shocking when it happens in said western cities rather than anywhere in the dump that is the Middle East. Sorry if that offends you.

 

[Freakbro]

Yes, and I'm saying it's a lot more shocking when it happens in said western cities rather than anywhere in the dump that is the Middle East. Sorry if that offends you.

It doesn't offend me, I just find it sad you don't have the same level of empathy for all innocent people beset by such tragedies due to some abstract view on where they live

 

[G-MAN2004]

It doesn't offend me, I just find it sad you don't have the same level of empathy for all innocent people beset by such tragedies

I do. No innocent person deserves to die or be displaced by war, but it will always hit harder when it happens closer to home because it isn't expected.

 

[Freakbro]

I do. No innocent person deserves to die or be displaced by war, but it will always hit harder when it happens closer to home because it isn't expected.

Yea, I know, sorry, didn't mean it to sound so harsh. But it's not that it isn't expected, it shouldnt be as we're at war, it's just that being in Manchester, London, Barcelona means is more likely to affect you personally so it concerns you more. Now that's a normal response of course, but it's the casual dismissal of the peoples plight, who are exactly like you, just because they happen to live 'in the dump that is the ME' because its to be expected I find insensitive.

I guess I feel more, there by the grace of God go I....which is an admission for an agnostic