The bike was at fault and they were testing what the computer would do.
And that's where it's just not going to work unless everything on that road is automated. Humans make bizarre mistakes computers can't predict.
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The bike was at fault and they were testing what the computer would do.
And that's where it's just not going to work unless everything on that road is automated. Humans make bizarre mistakes computers can't predict.
But based on the evidence we have thus far, computers have less accidents regardless of if they might have had an accident that a human could have avoided or not. The overall figures, show less accidents.
Of course, at the moment they barely go above 25mph is my understanding (although I could be wrong) and if humans all drove at that speed, we'd have a lot less accidents too.
Can't you read simple English. Where in this thread did I say that all RTA's end up with someone dead? Stop trolling me and making stuff up.
Are you advocating the position that automation is less safe than having human drivers? If so you are completing wrong and the available data proves it.
We do know it will reduce RTA's. This technology has been around for many years (particularly in the aviation industry) and the data says it works and makes travel safer.
Again, I disagree. A computer can process (and probably see) many more possible outcomes than a human could.
My guess from looking at the damage is that the minibus got clipped by the green lorry as you can see the damage on the side and pulled into the path of the 2nd lorry who just went straight into it. Probably was parked on the hardshoulder for what ever reason or traveling at low speed and being overtaken by a lorry. Often the case with full minibuses.
Rip to those that died! M1 is a very busy road and never fun to drive.
Rip to those that died! M1 is a very busy road and never fun to drive.
And yet everyday I see at least one car stopped on the hard shoulder with the occupants still in it, or theyre walking around/sat live side of the barrier. One of my friends even saw a guy sunbathing on the roof of their van.
It's mind boggling.
Just seen both drivers have now been charged with eight counts of causing death by dangerous driving.
A few here have said they hope the book is thrown at them. I have incredibly strong views about people like this, having nearly lost my mother 18 years ago as a result of a lorry driver who wasn't watching the road.
I honestly think the law needs to be taken to the next level when it comes to people who wantonly endanger others' lives, whether that's by drink driving, using a mobile behind the wheel, or just acting like a total ****. Only yesterday on the M6 there were a couple of morons in Audis having a spat in the outside line and brake-testing each other, causing dangerous ripples of bunching in the following traffic which could have caused a humongous pile-up. Eventually they both swerved across the whole road to the hard shoulder and stopped right next to each other, at which point they probably had a punch-up at the side of the road but I'd passed it all by then. Morons like this need to lose their licences for a year, pure and simple, not only as a punishment but also a deterrent and simply to protect the lives of others. We are far far too lenient.
A few here have said they hope the book is thrown at them. I have incredibly strong views about people like this, having nearly lost my mother 18 years ago as a result of a lorry driver who wasn't watching the road.
I honestly think the law needs to be taken to the next level when it comes to people who wantonly endanger others' lives, whether that's by drink driving, using a mobile behind the wheel, or just acting like a total ****. Only yesterday on the M6 there were a couple of morons in Audis having a spat in the outside line and brake-testing each other, causing dangerous ripples of bunching in the following traffic which could have caused a humongous pile-up. Eventually they both swerved across the whole road to the hard shoulder and stopped right next to each other, at which point they probably had a punch-up at the side of the road but I'd passed it all by then. Morons like this need to lose their licences for a year, pure and simple, not only as a punishment but also a deterrent and simply to protect the lives of others. We are far far too lenient.
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Yep loss of licence for one year as a minimum for being on phone or texting.
Kill someone due to phone/texting..10+ years in jail and you are never driving again.
Kill someone due to phone/texting..10+ years in jail and you are never driving again.
Why so much hate for trucks? Almost every item you need/want is brought to you in a truck at some point in its journey!
Thinking that trucks will be fully automated in the foreseeable future is like thinking there would be hover boards 30 years ago.
I may be wrong but I guess they follow the lines/kerbs on roads...what if it's snowing?
What if there's a blocked road and it needs to reverse up a dirt path to get turned round?
What if someone's double parked whilst they're in a shop...I suppose there could be drivers that go round sorting them out when they get stuck..
Thinking that trucks will be fully automated in the foreseeable future is like thinking there would be hover boards 30 years ago.
I may be wrong but I guess they follow the lines/kerbs on roads...what if it's snowing?
What if there's a blocked road and it needs to reverse up a dirt path to get turned round?
What if someone's double parked whilst they're in a shop...I suppose there could be drivers that go round sorting them out when they get stuck..
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Goods should be on the railways.
At the very least HGVs should not be allowed to overtake.
At the very least HGVs should not be allowed to overtake.
What if any of these things happened to a driver? Why wouldn't an automated truck be at least as capable as a human of driving in, say, snow? A computer can see in radar and infra red, and use GPS. What can a human do?
so...build more railways or start picking up/delivering everything up from railway stations?
The overtaking thing is nonsense...90% of the time it's the guy who's being overtaken that causes the problem, all he needs to do is slow down for 10 secs and let the other truck pass
The overtaking thing is nonsense...90% of the time it's the guy who's being overtaken that causes the problem, all he needs to do is slow down for 10 secs and let the other truck pass
The ship has sailed as far as freight railways are concerned.
As for overtaking, I doubt any driver wants to ever slow down, given the ludicrous pressure they are under.
I dunno...they must need to follow something to know it's a road, don't think GPS is accurate enough to stay within a few inches of a road?
I'm sure if a road was lined with sensors they would work but since everything else on the road is controlled by humans I just think there's far too many variables for ity to be possible to have fully automated trucks..
Only if 30 years ago we actually had a hover board and it just needed refining for general sale.
You talk like they aren't already being used in the US. The driver is still used to get in and out of urban areas, but then it's left to the computer.
I didn't know that tbh, will have a look. But the roads are different here, they have big long, wide, straight roads in the US...you never see Road Trains in the UK (multiple trailers with one tractor unit) as they'd struggle as soon as they were off the motorway
they might well do to be fair, though they're likely going to be inherently safer, not just automated but better monitored/recorded, maintaining an appropriate distance from the vehicle in from, not pointlessly overtaking at like 1mph faster than another lorry thus holding up everyone else etc.. main issue here is safety and computer driven vehicles can improve on that massively
