Am I at Fault or the Lorry Driver

I would say in this instance the fault mainly resides with you, sorry. You can clearly see from the video that he is indicating left at 16s (from pretty much the time his front indicator comes into your view), yet you persisted in trying to go up his inside, even after the point where it became apparent from his positioning that he was going straight (even without seeing the indicator).

Always give trucks plenty of room on roundabouts. They are long, unwieldy things for a start, and often the drivers are in unfamiliar territory trying to work out which way they should be going.

One to chalk up to experience. At least no-one was hurt.
 
Kenai said:
This is why you don't try to overtake on roundabouts, especially lorries. Enough people don't know how to use them that it's just a lottery half the time which exit a car might take from any given lane.

You've put yourself in a risky position for no real reason or benefit.
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Yeah end of the day no matter who was right/wrong putting yourself in that position realistically is going to end badly sometimes.

This is why in that kind of situation I usually sit back and slight offset until they've completed their manoeuvrer.
 
Agree that you appear to be at fault here. There are no lane markings which to me suggests the right hand lane could very well be straight on too. You're undertaking him on a round about and you got squeezed out. I don't think he'd be looking in that blond spot where you was located at all, as he wouldn't have expected anyone coming up inside him.
 
Seems like an impatient driver to me. The approach the lorry took entering the island said to me unsure and in such a situation it is best to back off and wait. Defensive driving is always the safest in such situations.
 
Amazed you didn’t see that left indicator to be honest.

I have my class 2 license and driving a big truck gives you a new appreciation of the challenges lorry drivers face. Especially with cars driven in the way of the video.
 
Simon said:
Amazed you didn’t see that left indicator to be honest.

I have my class 2 license and driving a big truck gives you a new appreciation of the challenges lorry drivers face. Especially with cars driven in the way of the video.
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I used to get lifts with the lorry drivers sometimes when visiting remote sites in a job (as an aside - way more comfy than the train, etc. modern lorry cabs are decently spacious with good ride) so I kind of picked up on some stuff like that - it was kind of intuitive to me from the first moment the lorry started manoeuvring - I'm not sure if I'd have picked up on it quite so well though before.
 
OP Car driver is at fault, u tried to squeeze through. He was clearly indicating, roundabouts you give way to the right, simple as.
 
Putting your foot down to gun it past and not backing out when it was clear he was going left, kinda hard to defend you here :(
 
I see more and more of this these days, people indicating right when going straight on.

Particularly disconcerting when they do it in the left lane of dualie and your sat in the right lane.

As mentioned above no real defence for yourself since you were behind him entering the roundabout, might go 50-50 in insurance terms on the basis he did approach in the wrong lane indicating right though.
 
At best its 50/50.

I would say though you are at fault being completely honest though, at 16 seconds he starts indicating to go left, at 17 you can see his path isnt tight enough to to around, at 18 your brakes should have been on, it only seems like 20 or so you actually put your foot down to stop.
 
Single lane. Lorry shouldn't have indicated, and should have taken the longest route round the roundabout, aka the outside line, not the inside. You shouldn't have tried to undertake on a roundabout. You were behind so from an insurance point of view, you are at fault. Though the truck driver is pretty crap.

Edit :- Would be a very different point of view had there been 2 lanes, but there was not.
 
Lorry driver should have positioned himself in the left hand lane. Though there doesn’t seem to be any marking to make it clear.

I wouldn’t have attempted to undertake him, even if there were lines.
 
You have to treat that as a double lane roundabout due to the sheer size of it, ie if you're going straight on or left you're on the left side of the entrance and going right position yourself right as there's more than enough space to position vehicles side by side when queuing.
 
You tried to squeeze it up the side of him on the entry and had to bail out when you realised there was no room, then you did the same on the exit when there was still no room, and the lorry had also corrected his signal and was indicating that he was taking the second exit while you were still behind him.

Sorry, hard to see how the lorry is really at any great fault on this one. The driving in the video just makes you look very impatient.
 
Jokester said:
You have to treat that as a double lane roundabout due to the sheer size of it, ie if you're going straight on or left you're on the left side of the entrance and going right position yourself right as there's more than enough space to position vehicles side by side when queuing.
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The lack of lane markings will always catch you out when apportioning blame in an accident like this. You can't say it's two lanes just because you can fit two cars, as it's simply not marked as such. You can see it doesn't fit a large vehicle and a small one. You could argue that this is deliberate as the way that exit lane narrows and turns left means it's not safe and there simply isn't room for two cars at speed, let alone a lorry and something else.
 
Steampunk said:
The lack of lane markings will always catch you out when apportioning blame in an accident like this. You can't say it's two lanes just because you can fit two cars, as it's simply not marked as such. You can see it doesn't fit a large vehicle and a small one. You could argue that this is deliberate as the way that exit lane narrows and turns left means it's not safe and there simply isn't room for two cars at speed, let alone a lorry and something else.
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But it's nothing to do with the exit - if two vehicles position themselves as per the highway code whilst waiting to join the roundabout they shouldn't come into contact as the vehicle on the right should only ever be taking the 3rd exit, whilst one on the left the 1st or 2nd. There's roundabouts around here that don't have lane markings on them and are significantly smaller than that and they're on sections of dual carriageway!

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@57.2...996&pitch=0&thumbfov=100!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
 
The roundabout sign was also covered by trees. He was indicating right anyway - So that means his indicator bulbs work
 
I've made similar mistakes in the past.
I'm much more cautious these days. I try hard avoid being next to a lorry on a roundabout.

You could have passed him entering the roundabout. But I would have to be really honing it to get past and you may have had a much worse accident.
I'm never in that much of a rush.

Edit - I wouldn't bother with insurance.
At best it's 50/50 and you don't have much damage.
Not worth the hassle and with the video it may go in the lorry driver's favor and you might get a claim on your record for minor damage to the lorry....
 
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Jokester said:
But it's nothing to do with the exit - if two vehicles position themselves as per the highway code whilst waiting to join the roundabout they shouldn't come into contact as the vehicle on the right should only ever be taking the 3rd exit, whilst one on the left the 1st or 2nd. There's roundabouts around here that don't have lane markings on them and are significantly smaller than that and they're on sections of dual carriageway!

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@57.2183239,-2.3485496,3a,75y,42.02h,80.79t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sx4jX-CzuxOtq6nzAo9UYaw!2e0!6s//geo3.ggpht.com/cbk?panoid=x4jX-CzuxOtq6nzAo9UYaw&output=thumbnail&cb_client=maps_sv.tactile.gps&thumb=2&w=203&h=100&yaw=61.423996&pitch=0&thumbfov=100!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
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But likewise (my bolding):

Section 187
Section 187 explains the road users you should watch out for and give plenty of room to when approaching and entering a roundabout. This includes:
  • Pedestrians crossing the approach and exit roads
  • Traffic crossing in front of you on the roundabout (look for vehicles intending to leave at the next exit)
  • Traffic straddling lanes or positioned incorrectly (it happens more than you think!)
  • Motorcyclists
  • Cyclists and horse riders who may remain in the left hand lane and signal right if they intent to continue round the roundabout
  • Long vehicles (including those towing trailers) which might have to take a different course or straddle lanes because of their length
  • Keep an eye out for all road users’ signals
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So even if you agree the lorry was in the wrong place, you just can't assume he's turning right and put yourself and others in danger by jamming it up the inside. It's obvious as soon as the lorry starts leaving the roundabout, there's no room, safety, visibility or lane markings to indicate it's a good idea to try and undertake on the exit.

I suspect what really happened is that the OP decided he could fit both himself and the lorry on the roundabout, and didn't realise (because of the lack of visibility due to the bend) that there wasn't the same room on the exit, and got caught out as the road narrowed from one and a bit largish lanes, to one standard lane.
 
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