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Efour · 8 Oct 2017 at 22:23

Glaucus said:
if you want to make rubbish up then go ahead.
but you can not say we live in sad or unsafe times compared to even recent history. Terrorists attacks in western countries including the uk are far lower than historically.

So are crucifixions...

I'm backing out of this its nonsense.

Glaucus · 8 Oct 2017 at 22:23

dowie said:
indeed, obstificating this with stats mostly derived from Northern Ireland relating terror misses the point a bit, in the context of this thread it is an Islamist attack people would be suspicious of as driving a car into people deliberately has been the MO for previous recent incidents (and of course the racist bloke near the Finsbury Park mosque too)

again rubbish, as the original comment was about it being ad times as there's so many terrorists attacks. this jusisn'tnt true and is plainly a false statement as the chart I posted shows. Historically, we are at an incredibly low terrorist point, even with the recent attacks.

dowie · 8 Oct 2017 at 22:26

Glaucus said:
again rubbish, as the original comment was about it being ad times as there's so many terrorists attacks. this jusisn'tnt true and is plainly a false statement as the chart I posted shows. Historically, we are at an incredibly low terrorist point, even with the recent attacks.

well it isn't rubbish as the poster is likely talking in the context of recent years i.e. the increase in Islamist attacks we've seen

Glaucus · 8 Oct 2017 at 22:27

dowie said:
well it isn't rubbish as the poster is likely talking in the context of recent years i.e. the increase in Islamist attacks we've seen

lol, so we pick an insanely small time frame just to suit your irrational fear spurred by the media.
That's not how it works.

dowie · 8 Oct 2017 at 22:28

Glaucus said:
lol, so we pick an insanely small time frame just to suit your irrational fear spurred by the media.
That's not how it works.

that isn't how what works? You can look at a larger time frame for islamist attacks in the UK if you like...

Glaucus · 8 Oct 2017 at 22:30

dowie said:
that isn't how what works? You can look at a larger time frame for islamist attacks in the UK if you like...

and the death toll is still lower than 2005 so you fail on that point as well.
in the west we are still at a very safe point in history.

But some of you have fallen for mass media scare tactics.

Skunkworks · 8 Oct 2017 at 22:32

Nothing to see here, guys. Those concrete blocks and soldiers everywhere are figments of your bigoted minds.

dowie · 8 Oct 2017 at 22:32

Glaucus said:
and the death toll is still lower than 2005 so you fail on that point as well.
in the west we are still at a very safe point in history.

But some of you have fallen for mass media scare tactics.

Fail on what point exactly? You seem to be conflating deaths and number of attacks there.

Glaucus · 8 Oct 2017 at 22:33

dowie said:
Fail on what point exactly? You seem to be conflating deaths and number of attacks there.

not at all, I've been clear I've been using death stats.

there simply isn't any way you can argue risk of terrorism is higher now than preceding decades. IRA in a single year, outstrips a decade and a half of Islamic terrorism.

And again this is repeated around western countries, you are less likely to die now of terrorism than in previous decades.

Dis86 · 8 Oct 2017 at 22:35

Glaucus said:
not at all, I've been clear I've been using death stats.

there simply isn't any way you can argue risk of terrorism is higher now than preceding decades.

What about stats for England rather than including those for NI?

dowie · 8 Oct 2017 at 22:35

Glaucus said:
not at all, I've been clear I've been using death stats.

there simply isn't any way you can argue risk of terrorism is higher now than preceding decades. IRA in a single year, outstrips a decade and a half of Islamic terrorism.

I think you need to stick with what I've actually posted as some of these posts are down to your own reading comprehension or lack of. I've not argued that "risk of terrorism" is higher now than in previous decades for example.

Efour · 8 Oct 2017 at 22:36

What about stats for London? I mean i used to live there that's all i care about tbh.
Have a feeling that terror attacks have gone up quite a lot there "in recent times"

Glaucus · 8 Oct 2017 at 22:37

dowie said:
I've not argued that risk of terrorism is higher now than in previous decades for example.

i know you haven't you have done your best to ignore it, to push your own twisted agenda.

dowie · 8 Oct 2017 at 22:37

Glaucus said:
i know you haven't you have done your best to ignore it, to push your own twisted agenda.

I'm not pushing any agenda either. Again you should stick to what has been posted rather than making things up to attack.

ianh · 8 Oct 2017 at 23:38

Glaucus said:
and still nothing compared to previous decades. so whats your point.

My post stands, in the past 8 years UK terrorism has been fairly quiet, in the past 10 months it's significantly worse, hence my "sad times" post. However, as you can't understand that people may have a different opinion to yours (which is OK) you'll now argue that, any opinion which is different than yours is wrong - not "different" but wrong - and the sooner we all agree with you the sooner you'll be able to go offline saying "Yeah, I showed them!" which is sad really. I'm not trying to change anyone's mind or alter anyone's opinion, I'm just stating what my own is.

Vonhelmet · 9 Oct 2017 at 00:23

ianh said:
My post stands, in the past 8 years UK terrorism has been fairly quiet, in the past 10 months it's significantly worse, hence my "sad times" post. However, as you can't understand that people may have a different opinion to yours (which is OK) you'll now argue that, any opinion which is different than yours is wrong - not "different" but wrong - and the sooner we all agree with you the sooner you'll be able to go offline saying "Yeah, I showed them!" which is sad really. I'm not trying to change anyone's mind or alter anyone's opinion, I'm just stating what my own is.

And if it's quiet again next year, then what? Will you see that sometimes there are just anomalies and you can't call things too early?

muon · 9 Oct 2017 at 01:02

I'm sure the same posters before this year were saying how we are living in good times as far as terrorism is concerned. After all historically low number of casualties right for multiple years right?

Oh wait, I bet pessimists are always pessimists.

IronWarrior · 9 Oct 2017 at 01:09

NM: I posted in the wrong topic. lol

Delete me, why can't we not delete our own messages anymore?

mmj_uk · 9 Oct 2017 at 01:17

One point I would make is that the "number of deaths" doesn't really tell the whole story about terrorism, I think we'll all accept (9/11 aside) Islamic extremism is pretty dire in terms of effectiveness compared to former organisations like the IRA. This year there seems to have been a massive spike in terrorist attacks but fatalities have been low compared to overall casualties, then you've got all of the acid attacks which although not exactly terrorism is just as scary to think about and has spiked in numbers only very recently. The main goal of terrorism is to cause fear and influence political change, when a bomb goes off it's no less scary whether 1 person dies or 100. 2017 has been one incident after another in the UK whereas previous years there have only really been sporadic attacks.

Nasher · 9 Oct 2017 at 08:38

Becuase these terrorists are religious nuts, so not very smart to begin with.