Are you worried about the future of diesel cars?

Because you bought a virtually brand new car! The value of a 1.4 TSI has fallen too.

£9000 still seems excessive to me given that the price I paid for it was £10500 less than an identically spec'd new one on DriveTheDeal, CarWow etc. at the time I bought it.

You're saying that you'd expect a £19500 drop from April 2016 (first registration date) to October 2017?
 
Looking at historical valuations, Glasses puts the loss on a 16 plate 2.0TDI Sline at 9% between November last year now and now.

A 1.4TSI has lost a similar amount, at 8%.

I would suggest the Audi valuation is very low. What is it?
 
It's worth what someone will actually pay for it and you'd have a hard time offloading a VAG diesel vs a similar priced petrol right now. You'll get low-ball offers from everyone.
 
Looking at historical valuations, Glasses puts the loss on a 16 plate 2.0TDI Sline at 9% between November last year now and now.

A 1.4TSI has lost a similar amount, at 8%.

I would suggest the Audi valuation is very low. What is it?

£21,650* Excellent condition
£20,750* Good condition
£19,800* Average condition

They seem to tie up with Parkers valuation:

Typical used prices
Guide*
Franchised Dealer: £24,905
Independent Dealer: £24,215
Private Good: £23,065
Private Poor: £20,035
Part Exchange: £21,340
Original Price: £36,860

I tried for 4 months to buy the 2.0T 190S version of the A4 and eventually had to concede and get the diesel version because they outnumbered them 20:1 and I could not find the spec I wanted. Frustrating.

It's worth what someone will actually pay for it and you'd have a hard time offloading a VAG diesel vs a similar priced petrol right now. You'll get low-ball offers from everyone.

My engine doesn't suffer from #emissionsgate which makes the whole ordeal really unfair.
 
If you paid 30 grand for a used 2 litre A4 you can't be surprised that a year later it's only worth 21 in trade-in!

Well it's not a base model with no spec. Like I said, a brand new one with the same spec at the time was £10500 more post-discount. The car is very loaded and the Audi and Parkers valuations are not taking any of the extras into account. I suspect the real valuation would be better than those figures quoted above.
 
There's a perfect storm of the premium brands pushing excessive volume into the market (see latest news on Pendragon) together with risk in diesel RVs (which are more heavily represented in premium brands than other brands). Then add consumer debt issues into the mix and there's a massive potential problem brewing.
 
Interesting, I was just doing the Diesel vs petrol flip flop on ordering a new car.
In the end I decided petrol, my mileage isn't particularly high, about 10k but thats 99% Mon-fri commuting, we use the other halfs at weekends as its company where as mine is private on car allowance.

I was looking at all the hotish hatches (208 GTi, focus st etc), TT, 2 series etc. I spent a lot of time, too much really, looking into total ownership cost and found a few things,
some cars are truly terrible in depreciation, the worst I found was the Astra GTC, went from mid 20s to expected value of about £7.5k at 3 years 30k miles! Best was TT, 1.8TFSi losing just over 50% (28500 OTR to about 14200 expected at 3yr 30k)

Once I had ruled out the outliers (too slow, too thirtsy etc) I ended up with St3, TT 1.8Tfsi, Mini Cooper S JCW and Scirocco Tsi)

I again checked the diesels on those ranges and again came to the conclusion that the residuals meant the cost of ownership lent me towards petrol. I found the site www.fleetnews.co.uk was accurate for residuals etc when comparing to manufacturers finance (which is an easy way to look at expected depreciation). If I was doing 20K+ I would still look diesel, but at lower mileage and unsure if I would want the car in 3 years it seemed better to go petrol. The MPG is an issue but I only pay the tax on my fuel as BIK, company picks up the cost so its less an issue to me.

I eventually had to decided between St3 and TT, was a hard choice but I felt the TT just pipped the St on a lot of soft measures so went that way. Got just under 20% off list price so cant grumble ;)
The JCW was a serious contender and had I not have had a gen 1 and 2 new mini I would have struggled to not pick that to be honest, but just wanted something different. If I needed seats the St3 would have been the pick, but I dont, 99% of the time its just me in there going to work and back.

Separate but my work collegue is looking for a Jag XE petrol, they pretty much don't exist second hand. He found 1 with a half decent spec, where as there are loads and loads of diesels.

In conclusion I don't see there being any real diff to diesels in the next 3-5 years, residuals have probably tanked too hard. New car sales of petrols will increase and supply/demand will balance back again.
 
Well it's not a base model with no spec. Like I said, a brand new one with the same spec at the time was £10500 more post-discount. The car is very loaded and the Audi and Parkers valuations are not taking any of the extras into account. I suspect the real valuation would be better than those figures quoted above.

I have a friend in the trade, he always quotes for most extras at 3-4 years to so "extras make the car significantly more saleable but hardly more valuable"
 
Diesel car owners are going to get shafted soon. They'll be worthless and taxed so high you'll be buying petrol again.

Rinse and repeat, keep everyone spending.
 
I'm well aware that some extras are value-adding, and that most aren't :)

Point is that even the ones that are value adding aren't so for ever, they depreciate to little/no value far faster than the car itself.
Same with spec versions as well though to be fair, over time they lose the premium, its just the way of cars.
 
It’s all abit of a mess at the moment. You probably have dealerships with tons of diesels sat there waiting to be sold that not many people want anymore “think there’s been a 22% drop in diesel sales over the last year”.
I’ve heard of some dealerships offering naff all to people trying to trade the same diesel cars back to them them that they were happy to sell them 2-3 years ago and someone i work with has just got 8k off a pre registered new diesel Audi TT :eek:
Some used petrol cars have actually increased in price over the last 6 months aswell with the used car market just being full of diesels especially in the Audi, Mercedes. BMW market.
And think of how many people probably got the dpf removed back when that was popular aren’t they changing that from a visual inspection soon? So some used car buyers will have to deal with that expense now aswell

Yea, Lots of people will soon be screwed.
 
The smart money is probably on a pre-April 2017 petrol hybrid. £0 tax and cheap running costs for as long as you can keep it going.

I'm probably just going to hold on my to my gt86 for now. It's lost practically nothing since I bought it (used). Then eventually get an old EV for daily 12 mile commute, when they drop in the peanuts price bracket :p
 
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I must admit the current issues around diesels certainly did make me avoid one this time round and get a smaller petrol. I think it's less a cost thing and much more a uncertainty issue. If we knew exactly in 3,5,10 years what the costs would be in terms of extra tax etc then we could at least plan for that, but alas thats not the story and a new tax of some sort seems to be hitting diesels (or at least being suggested) all the time now.
 
I still don't think there is a credible alternative for large cars. EV isn't quite there yet and petrol doesn't deliver the efficiency people want when fuel is £1.20 a litre.

Diesels in Fiesta sized cars though? Good riddance - petrol is the correct choice here.
 
I still don't think there is a credible alternative for large cars. EV isn't quite there yet and petrol doesn't deliver the efficiency people want when fuel is £1.20 a litre.

Diesels in Fiesta sized cars though? Good riddance - petrol is the correct choice here.

Nobody talked about Fiesta size diesels - I said I might go down a class to get a petrol one. But what about the class up where I’m looking? The petrol options are either slow, thirsty or both it seems
 
Hybrids like the current Lexus models are about the only other option for efficient big cars. But they aren't cheap.
 
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