Acid attacks

Chris Wilson said:
Can't quite fathom out why ramming a fleeing vehicle or blowing its tyres out with a "Stinger" is OK, but chasing a moped rider is not. If someone decides to try and evade the police and gets killed, who cares? And this acid attack resurgence, post the early Victorian era, is most definitely another "benefit" of Asian multiculturalism, initially reintroducing this barbaric practice, although it's unlikely to be raised by the BBC.
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It all escalated after one of those moped plums crashed while being chased and died. Which resulted in police men who were involved in the chase getting deciplined, loosing their jobs etc. Mother etc was protesting in the streets with a gang of chavs saying he was innocent etc (think the number was something like 150+ times that he got stopped by police before)

So if you were doing your job, you wouldn't risk getting done either.

I lived in Croydon for a few years and it was getting pretty mental there with the moped gangs. Numerous times I've seen them pull. Wheelies, drive in front of police while pulling wheelies, cutting police up etc. They literally do not bother and just ignore them.
 
As much as I disagree with the gun culture in the United States, there's something to be said for thinking twice before you commit a crime because the victim might have an anti-aircraft gun for home defence. There is a recording on youtube of a senior man in Texas who calls 911 when he sees two teens robbing his next door neighbour. The police don't come fast enough so the man takes his shotgun and guns down the teens, then calmly gets back on the phone and tells the 911 operator that there is no longer any hurry for the police to get there, as the robbers are stone dead and not about to run away.

As far as the acid goes, I have a friend who is from Bangladesh and he was attacked with acid when he was a teenager. Thankfully they missed his face and got part of his chest and his arm. The scar is grotesque.
These people need some old school "string him up in the village square and give everyone a billy club" treatment.

That's totally how it would be if I ran my own country, by the way. Rapist? Murderer? Other heinous crime? You're getting hung by your feet a meter off the ground in the town square and everyone gets a weapon. If you survive for sixty minutes you have the privilege of spending the rest of your life in jail. Otherwise, too bad for you.

There's also eye for an eye as an option. Say you rape somebody? You will get raped with a meter long 12cm diameter ***** relentlessly for 24 hours. Then you go to jail.

I'd call this country "Dont****aroundistan"
 
grudas said:
It all escalated after one of those moped plums crashed while being chased and died. Which resulted in police men who were involved in the chase getting deciplined, loosing their jobs etc. Mother etc was protesting in the streets with a gang of chavs saying he was innocent etc (think the number was something like 150+ times that he got stopped by police before)

So if you were doing your job, you wouldn't risk getting done either.

I lived in Croydon for a few years and it was getting pretty mental there with the moped gangs. Numerous times I've seen them pull. Wheelies, drive in front of police while pulling wheelies, cutting police up etc. They literally do not bother and just ignore them.
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It's always the same. We had it up here a while back when a cop responding to an emergency call hit and killed a girl. He got thrown under the bus for it, completely hung out to dry. What nobody mentioned was it was 11.30 at night, the girl was 15, drunk, had a school exam the next day and just walked out in front of the car. Now...why was a 15 year old out at that time on school night? Drunk?
Although there's nothing to say she was scummy, she came from a proper scumbag family who made the usual song and dance.

Society seems to have gone a little back to front where we cater to the demands of the criminal classes! Although that's becausenthe bleeding hearts tell you they're not criminal, just socio-econimically deprived.
 
Dis86 said:
It's always the same. We had it up here a while back when a cop responding to an emergency call hit and killed a girl. He got thrown under the bus for it, completely hung out to dry. What nobody mentioned was it was 11.30 at night, the girl was 15, drunk, had a school exam the next day and just walked out in front of the car. Now...why was a 15 year old out at that time on school night? Drunk?
Although there's nothing to say she was scummy, she came from a proper scumbag family who made the usual song and dance.
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She was 16 and the Police officer was responding to a triggered ANPR without his warning lights on. He started breaking at 87mph (in a 30mph residential zone) and hit her at 68 mph. She had no chance.

http://www.ipcc.gov.uk/sites/defaul...reports/hayley_adamson_redacted_report_v2.pdf

Also - She had alchohol in her system, about equivalent to 2/3rd of a bottle of wine. So that part is true. She didn't just "walk out" in front of the car though.
 
VincentHanna said:
She was 16 and the Police officer was responding to a triggered ANPR without his warning lights on. He started breaking at 87mph (in a 30mph residential zone) and hit her at 68 mph. She had no chance.

http://www.ipcc.gov.uk/sites/defaul...reports/hayley_adamson_redacted_report_v2.pdf

Also - She had alchohol in her system, about equivalent to 2/3rd of a bottle of wine. So that part is true. She didn't just "walk out" in front of the car though.
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Ok so her being a year older makes a difference how? Apart from the fact that the exam was likely to be a GCSE so of even more importance. And how did she get in front of the police car if she didn't walk out? Did she teleport there?
Was he driving a silent stealth police car? Have you heard how loud a car is at that speed?

No. She walked out in front of a police car that was responding to a potential crime. Yes he was going very quick - thats what you need to do to catch criminals.

'Yes I'm being raped'

'Ok we'll have officers there in 45 minutes as they have to drive incredibly slowly'

Also worth reading the witness statements from her friends which all contradict one another! All of them attempting to nail the police officer.
 
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Dis86 said:
Ok so her being a year older makes a difference how? Apart from the fact that the exam was likely to be a GCSE so of even more importance. And how did she get in front of the police car if she didn't walk out? Did she teleport there?
Was he driving a silent stealth police car? Have you heard how loud a car is at that speed?

No. She walked out in front of a police car that was responding to a potential crime. Yes he was going very quick - thats what you need to do to catch criminals.

'Yes I'm being raped'

'Ok we'll have officers there in 45 minutes as they have to drive incredibly slowly'

Also worth reading the witness statements from her friends which all contradict one another! All of them attempting to nail the police officer.
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You picked a lousy example and got called on it. Live with it.
 
Dis86 said:
Except I didnt. The only thing which wasn't correct was her age. And I'm not sure 15 to 16 makes a difference. Live with it.
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You omitted that the police car was doing nearly 90mph in a 30 zone without sirens or police lights. Incorrect information isn't the only way you can be massively wrong. Incomplete information can be equally misleading. You also seem fixated on victim blaming via trying to find moral fault. Why was she out on a school night? Why had she been drinking? How else can we blame her for her death? Yeah, imo, you are way in the wrong on this one.
 
To provide some elementary arithmetic on how much difference that makes. It was a wide road so lets say it takes 5 seconds to cross.

The difference between 30mph (13.4 m/s) and 90mph (40.2m/s) is 26.8m/s. So in the time it takes you to cross the road the difference in speed translates to over 130m difference in distance covered.

So you're about to cross a road. You see some headlights in the distance. You have 130m less distance than you think. There are no sirens or police lights, it is dark and you have no way to know that the car well over 100m away is travelling 60mph over the speed limit. Next time you cross a road, Dis, and you look at the cars you know you can cross before they reach you and then subtract 130m from that distance and ask yourself whether you'd be okay. Yes?

The police car was still going at 70mph when it hit her.
 
h4rm0ny said:
You omitted that the police car was doing nearly 90mph in a 30 zone without sirens or police lights. Incorrect information isn't the only way you can be massively wrong. Incomplete information can be equally misleading. You also seem fixated on victim blaming via trying to find moral fault. Why was she out on a school night? Why had she been drinking? How else can we blame her for her death? Yeah, imo, you are way in the wrong on this one.
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Ok fellas, who had victim blaming for today's PC bingo?
It doesn't matter whether the car didn't have lights or sirens. I also made it clear he was responding to an emergency...that implies high speed. You dont respond to an emergency in a leisurely manner.
 
h4rm0ny said:
To provide some elementary arithmetic on how much difference that makes. It was a wide road so lets say it takes 5 seconds to cross.

The difference between 30mph (13.4 m/s) and 90mph (40.2m/s) is 26.8m/s. So in the time it takes you to cross the road the difference in speed translates to over 130m difference in distance covered.

So you're about to cross a road. You see some headlights in the distance. You have 130m less distance than you think. There are no sirens or police lights, it is dark and you have no way to know that the car well over 100m away is travelling 60mph over the speed limit. Next time you cross a road, Dis, and you look at the cars you know you can cross before they reach you and then subtract 130m from that distance and ask yourself whether you'd be okay. Yes?
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To provide some common sense, do you just look and take a snapshot at one instant in time? No. Because from that you can't judge the speed of an approaching vehicle. You also use your ears - holy crap, listen to that, it must be going fast.

Or you can be like h4rm0ny describes, a complete moron who take a glance and steps out then wonders why they get nailed by a car.

What age are kids taught how to cross the road again? I'm pretty sure it's before 6th form...
 
We need a real life Charles Bronson to sort these ***** out as the current laws are clearly not working and such acid attacks are on par with first degree murder.
Next time I go to South or East London I'll be carrying a litre of water.
In India historically acid attacks have been used on women who spurn men's advances. It's more prevalent in Hindu and Muslim culture so most likely such cultures have brought this thinking from overseas to our doorstep. Today's thugs have unfortunately followed suit to mainly rob and steal.
 
Dis86 said:
Ok fellas, who had victim blaming for today's PC bingo?
It doesn't matter whether the car didn't have lights or sirens. I also made it clear he was responding to an emergency...that implies high speed. You dont respond to an emergency in a leisurely manner.
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If only there was some sort of universally accepted way that vehicles responding to an emergency could indicate that to people in the vicinity. Can't think of one.
 
Caged said:
If only there was some sort of universally accepted way that vehicles responding to an emergency could indicate that to people in the vicinity. Can't think of one.
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And how do you propose you catch a criminal unawares whilst you have blue lights and sirens wailing?
 
Chris Wilson said:
Can't quite fathom out why ramming a fleeing vehicle or blowing its tyres out with a "Stinger" is OK, but chasing a moped rider is not.
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You can't fathom why bringing a car with 4 wheels, seatbelts, safety features and a large cage of metal around the occupants is safer than knocking someone off a bike?
 
Dis86 said:
And how do you propose you catch a criminal unawares whilst you have blue lights and sirens wailing?
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You don't.
Also, you don't do 90 in 30 a zone at night in an urban environment... THat is insane don't try and defend that. She was drunk too and probably not fully aware of her circumstances but whatever it happened. Its the worst of both worlds meeting.
 
Dis86 said:
And how do you propose you catch a criminal unawares whilst you have blue lights and sirens wailing?
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It wasn't a pursuit, so driving at not 80+MPH would also have resulted in being able to catch up with the suspected stolen vehicle.

You're choosing a ridiculous hill to die on. Why is the age/background of the person who was killed relevant? I assume if it had happened to a pensioner returning from bingo via some late night shopping you'd hold exactly the same opinion?
 
Efour said:
You don't.
Also, you don't do 90 in 30 a zone at night in an urban environment... THat is insane don't try and defend that. She was drunk too and probably not fully aware of her circumstances but whatever it happened. Its the worst of both worlds meeting.
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It's not a residential area though. It's an industrial area. There's no reason for some teens to be there at that time at night. It's not a through route or anything.
 
Caged said:
It wasn't a pursuit, so driving at not 80+MPH would also have resulted in being able to catch up with the suspected stolen vehicle.

You're choosing a ridiculous hill to die on. Why is the age/background of the person who was killed relevant? I assume if it had happened to a pensioner returning from bingo via some late night shopping you'd hold exactly the same opinion?
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Exactly...it wasn't a pursuit so hence no sirens or lights.
The reason age is relevant is that a child had no reason to be in that place at that time of night and in a state of inebriation.
 
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