Charles Manson dies

Tunney said:
It costs more to execute someone than to keep them locked up in the US.
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No, it costs more to keep them on death row for decades while they fend off the death penalty with endless appeals.

Killing them is the cheap part.
 
platinum87 said:
You could simply change the law and remove appeals and carry out executions within 1 hour of sentencing.
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In a perfect world where sentencing is 100% nailed on then maybe but I don't think cost should be the biggest motivator, they've tried focusing on costs in recent years and if anything it's made the US justice and prison system a shambles.
 
Ayahuasca said:
In a perfect world where sentencing is 100% nailed on then maybe but I don't think cost should be the biggest motivator, they've tried focusing on costs in recent years and if anything it's made the US justice and prison system a shambles.
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Yes, but cost is something that even pitchfork touting primates can understand. If they can't understand the hypocrisy of state-sanctioned execution then maybe they can comprehend money.
 
The US justice system is mad. Despite the population of the US not even making up 1/20th of the worlds, the US prison system houses over 1 in 5 of the worlds prisoners. Companies privately owning for profit prisons abuse the justice system for personal gain. Then there is death sentences. A punishment which has its flaws before the trial even begins, where you need to pick a certain kind of jury which is shown to be much more likely to give a guilty verdict with the same evidence as a normal jury would.

Now ignoring the moral implications of death sentences. Do we really think removing the appeal process would be a step for justice or against?
 
Evangelion said:
No, it costs more to keep them on death row for decades while they fend off the death penalty with endless appeals.
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It actually doesn't.

The myth that execution is more expensive than life without parole is based on the condition that inflation isn't a thing. However it of course is, and so the cost of keeping the vermin imprisoned for 50-60 years ends up more expensive in the long run.
 
Famous author Joan Didion wrote, “Many people I know in Los Angeles believe the 60's ended abruptly on August 9, 1969; ended at the exact moment when word of the murders traveled like brushfire through the community.”1 This would apply not only to Los Angeles, but to the entire United States. Given that the Tate murders did end the 60's and the hippie movement, we should ask if the Tate murders were intended to end the hippie movement. It seems very convenient for Nixon, Reagan, Hoover and the Pentagon that the perfect crime should happen at the perfect time. It seems very convenient that the first so-called “cult killings” known in Modern culture should occur as if on cue from the CIA, just in time to stop the rising peace movement. What a coincidence that the hippies would choose to go insane at just that moment, six days before Woodstock, murdering a beautiful blonde female (the perfect victim in any tragedy—see the fake Jessica Lynch rescue for a later example), still pregnant with a child (the other perfect victim). What a coincidence that they should write anti-government slogans on the wall, like “Death to Pigs”. What a coincidence that their leader should be the perfect patsy—a serial jailbird who had asked to be sent back to jail. That's right. Manson didn't want to be released from jail in 1967. Tom Snyder even admitted that on TV in 1981. How convenient that the government set up someone who wanted to be set up, sending a man back to jail for life who wanted to go back to jail. Let me put it this way: if the FBI were looking for someone to be a patsy, they could not have found someone better than Manson. He had a wild-eyed look, played the guitar and sang like the hippies, wore his hair long, was a lifetime criminal, and wanted to go back to jail. How convenient. What we will see is that Manson was actually working for the FBI and CIA all along. He wasn't set up. He was another actor, a willing patsy, playing the part he had been hired to play.
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