Dual Clutch Reliability ?

I have a dct M3

Been reliable enough thus far it's not great at slow speeds but on the move it's great.

I think dcts are on their way out anyway as fully fledged autos are meant to be just as good.
 
Anyone know how much DSG costs to repair vs a standard manual? I have heard some can be ridiculously expensive which is a headache you just don’t need on most cars. Every time I see a brand new leased Golf R or S3 etc being ragged I just feel sorry for the people buying them used with no warranty. And when generic diesels or non performance hatches have them etc its just a potential headache you don’t need when running a used car. But hey most people don’t care because they lease them, abuse them and give them back without a care in the world.
 
Dav4 said:
Every time I see a brand new leased Golf R or S3 etc being ragged I just feel sorry for the people buying them used with no warranty. And when generic diesels or non performance hatches have them etc its just a potential headache you don’t need when running a used car. But hey most people don’t care because they lease them, abuse them and give them back without a care in the world.
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Your anti leasing chip is hilarious.
 
[TW]Fox said:
Your anti leasing chip is hilarious.
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:p. I just hate the way most people treat cars these days. They just abuse them and then give them back. I work with plenty of people who treat 25k cars like they are a £500 throwaway iPhone. For most people a car is there second most expensive life purchase behind a owning a home but plenty will just treat 20k+ objects like crap because of the current trend of cheap monthly deals. Whatever way you look at it buying good used cars is becoming harder due to more and more expensive parts and gadgets and owners not caring for or maintaining them like they used to.
 
Dav4 said:
:p. I just hate the way most people treat cars these days. They just abuse them and then give them back. I work with plenty of people who treat 25k cars like they are a £500 throwaway iPhone. For most people a car is there second most expensive life purchase behind a owning a home but plenty will just treat 20k+ objects like crap because of the current trend of cheap monthly deals. Whatever way you look at it buying good used cars is becoming harder due to more and more expensive parts and gadgets and owners not caring for or maintaining them like they used to.
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People who trash leased cars will find themselves charged for the damage.
 
Roland Butter said:
Do you keep it in D standing at the lights or in slow moving traffic ?
Seemingly that wears out the friction bands in no time [ just like riding the clutch on a manual ]
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The DSG in my 184 bhp Alhambra stays in D (or S if I'm feeling cantakerous) all the time when I'm driving. It's got a surprising amount of poke for a bus. I also tow with it. It's new and will be gone before it is too old so I don't really worry about wearing the box out.
 
Roland Butter said:
Do you keep it in D standing at the lights or in slow moving traffic ?
Seemingly that wears out the friction bands in no time [ just like riding the clutch on a manual ]
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Keeping it at D and standing still adds NO wear, as the car pulls the clutches like a manual does. Slow moving traffic once again add little wear nothing more than a manual, even less probably as the car controls the clutch movements better than a human.
 
Most DCTs feature wet clutches so you'd have to try quite hard to tax them. Mercedes engineer also told me that they should last about 300,000 miles without effort. The electronics/hydraulic control systems can sometimes cause problems, though.
 
I remain to be convinced. Mine is very 'slippy' when really cold, I have to sort of enforce the changing with some throttle manipulation but it does seem to ride the clutch a bit more than I'd want. Particularly annoying when you try to drive out of a train station on the one day you take the posh car with all the people pointing at you making lots of noise but not going very far. Bit of temp and perfect.
 
You'll be very lucky if they last anywhere near 300k miles before something going wrong lol, you might get half that. With a torque converter type automatic maybe.

Dav4 said:
Anyone know how much DSG costs to repair vs a standard manual? I have heard some can be ridiculously expensive which is a headache you just don’t need on most cars. Every time I see a brand new leased Golf R or S3 etc being ragged I just feel sorry for the people buying them used with no warranty. And when generic diesels or non performance hatches have them etc its just a potential headache you don’t need when running a used car. But hey most people don’t care because they lease them, abuse them and give them back without a care in the world.
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Depends, if it grenades all over the road and you need to replace the lot...5 or 6 grand unless you find a working salvaged one.
 
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Mine disengages the clutches at a standstill - when you lift your foot off the brake there's a minute delay before it begins to creep. I put it in N if I'm sitting there for more than a few seconds though, as I would in a manual.

Nasher said:
You'll be very lucky if they last anywhere near 300k miles before something going wrong lol
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He's talking about the wet (oil-bathed) clutches specifically. But then you, in your infinite wisdom, should already have gathered that, right..?
 
104k on my DSG in what is one of VWs quickest cars still, 0 issues, my box is 8 years old always left in D, S or manual mode even when stopped for extended periods of time.

The key is to stick to the box service schedules....
 
Housey said:
I remain to be convinced. Mine is very 'slippy' when really cold, I have to sort of enforce the changing with some throttle manipulation but it does seem to ride the clutch a bit more than I'd want. Particularly annoying when you try to drive out of a train station on the one day you take the posh car with all the people pointing at you making lots of noise but not going very far. Bit of temp and perfect.
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What's it in, Housey? Not uncommon for some to behave like that - although annoying, it tends to be a trait of the transmission rather than a flaw. You also get some odd quirks like that, in some cases, as OEMs try to get the engine/transmission temperatures up more quickly. Could also be a software update-related issue, which isn't uncommon for BMWs.
 
Nasher said:
You'll be very lucky if they last anywhere near 300k miles before something going wrong lol, you might get half that. With a torque converter type automatic maybe.

Depends, if it grenades all over the road and you need to replace the lot...5 or 6 grand unless you find a working salvaged one.
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What makes you say that? There are millions of dual-clutch transmissions out there, all soldering along perfectly happily.

Replacement typically isn't that expensive, either. Usually about £4k for a trans replacement, including all work, or about £1000 to get one patched up.

New six-speed manual is usually a couple of grand, then you've got fitting...
 
I have a 2010 (built 2008) Focus with Powershift - it's been fine - Did have oil changed at 37k (£320) and only done 60k miles to date - I do have a habit of dropping it in neutral if it looks like I will be stationary for a red light or traffic jam (don't know if it makes a difference) but it doesn't creep. I do like the box though - very smooth changes.
 
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