Boy, 15, admits causing crash in which five people died

Dis86 said:
Well of course she's going to use past tense. They're dead.
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That's one hell of an assumption.

It is perfectly normal/common for people to refer to dead people in the present sense, especially if they are recently deceased and the person speaking is distressed.

Even people who would be rather more careful about he construction of a written statement are likely to mix tenses when responding to an on-the-spot verbal question.
 
This is a very sad story.

But mostly, I'm just glad no innocent bystanders were injured.

Most likely it is the parents fault for a shoddy upbringing.

Roads are a safer place without people like this around though.
 
wolfie138 said:
if you'd said you despised 95% of Russians you'd not hear the end of it. given it's Brummies though you should be ok.
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Probably because it's true?

The standards of driving round here really are shocking, and given what I quite often see and hear on the roads, it's no surprise that things like that accident happen. The only thing in his post that I'd disagree with is that the car was probably nicked - it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if it turns out they were racing
 
The lack of any humanity in this thread is unbelievable.

I'm pretty much a daily browser, if seldom poster on here. Love the technical advice and the warm sense of community which is often displayed when people are dealing with hard times. Some of the posts in this thread are grim.

Yes the actions of these young lads brought about their own demise, and yes I am glad no innocent bystanders were killed, but it's still a tragedy. The tone of some in this thread makes it sound like they are almost gleeful that boys, including one as young as 12 died.

How many on here I wonder have driven after a couple of beers thinking they're probably okay, driven at speed, or picked up their phone/sent a text while driving? All of which could result in the deaths of others (my cousin was killed by a drink driver who had had a few with a meal and a close friend by someone who was sending a text). I know I'm certainly guilty of driving too fast at times.

These lads stole a car, it was reckless and put innocent people at risk, they deserved to be punished for that. But it's still incredibly sad that they lost their lives.
 
Yes, it is sad they have lost their lives.

But looking at them, it is highly likely that they would be doing this sort of thing again and again until someone innocent did get killed.

I'd rather they take themselves out than someone else.
 
Jokester said:
Sadly boyracer/joyriders killing other people this time(though it looks like most of them were also killed).

Looks like from the photos they lost control of their car and had a head on with a taxi on the other side of the road killing all three occupants.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-42383464
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This is why I had absolutely zero sympathy for the idiots in the OP. RIP to the innocent Taxi driver and passengers that will now leave 3 devastated families and kids without a farther :(.
 
josh_sheffield said:
The lack of any humanity in this thread is unbelievable.

I'm pretty much a daily browser, if seldom poster on here. Love the technical advice and the warm sense of community which is often displayed when people are dealing with hard times. Some of the posts in this thread are grim.

Yes the actions of these young lads brought about their own demise, and yes I am glad no innocent bystanders were killed, but it's still a tragedy. The tone of some in this thread makes it sound like they are almost gleeful that boys, including one as young as 12 died.

How many on here I wonder have driven after a couple of beers thinking they're probably okay, driven at speed, or picked up their phone/sent a text while driving? All of which could result in the deaths of others (my cousin was killed by a drink driver who had had a few with a meal and a close friend by someone who was sending a text). I know I'm certainly guilty of driving too fast at times.

These lads stole a car, it was reckless and put innocent people at risk, they deserved to be punished for that. But it's still incredibly sad that they lost their lives.
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Totally unrelated story but remember this guy, he was allowed to be murdered by the same sort of scum you're defending.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-42393488

Chavs are a problem in this country, and when I hear of them being killed, I honestly don't care, so no it really isnt sad at all.... I did say in my previous posts I feel for the young ones they still had time to change, but the adults/older teens in the car could have and should have stopped it
 
The trouble is there seems to be a hell of a lack of ethically responsible parenting nowadays stemming from lates 90s and naughties to now?

Young people doing things with no consideration for the consequences and an inability to take responsibility because they are not disciplined properly or "i'll tell the police you hit me" etc.

That is more sad in my eyes. People dying because they committed a crime and endangered (but not killing) the lives of innocent people does not even come close in my eyes to actually killing someone because of your irresponsible actions. People are very liberal leading to a lot of this. Afraid to say boo for risk of offending the poor **********.
 
Johno please? said:
Totally unrelated story but remember this guy, he was allowed to be murdered by the same sort of scum you're defending.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-42393488

Chavs are a problem in this country, and when I hear of them being killed, I honestly don't care, so no it really isnt sad at all.... I did say in my previous posts I feel for the young ones they still had time to change, but the adults/older teens in the car could have and should have stopped it
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This was a a case of intentional murder!

Why do some people not understand that there is a difference between somebody causing a death by being recklessly stupid and someone who commits murder?

I guess it's easier to just be lazy and lump everyone who causes a death together and label them murderers than it is to actually look at the circumstances on a case by case basis.
 
A victim of a horror crash which claimed the lives of six people was a drug dealer who once led police on a terrifying 120mph chase.

Kasar Jehangir was in a high-powered Audi S3 with three friends which slammed head-on into a taxi in Birmingham on Sunday.

The 25-year-old and pals Tauqeer ‘Tokx’ Hussain, 26, and Mohammed Fasha 30, died in the crash.

Taxi driver Imtiaz Mohammed, 33, and his two passengers - a man aged 42 and woman aged 43 - were also killed.

Zakkria Khan, 22, who was in the Audi, survived the crash and remains in a serious but stable condition in hospital.

It emerged tonight that Jehangir had only recently been released from prison.

He was jailed for 36 months last year for leading police on a chase in a near-identical Audi S3.

The heroin dealer refused to stop for officers as he drove on the southbound carriageway of the M6.
 
That type of scum certainly like their Audi S3s. Mate of mine had his RS3 lifted from his driveway by a gang of burglars who then got into a police chase and ragged the thing rotten. It was chased at high speeds, rammed into cop cars, stung, ragged about on two tyres, crashed into a parked lorry on a service station car-park and then the police broke every window on the car.

To say he was gutted is an understatement. He'd only had the thing a month or so and had used an inheritance to buy it.
 
"Two of the other victims of the horror crash were named locally yesterday evening.

Mohammed Fahsa, 30, and Kaser Jahangir were in an Audi alongside Tauqeer Hussain, 26, at the time of the accident.

The three are said to be “very close friends”, and Fahsa, a sales assistant, and Tauqeer grew up living opposite one another in Small Heath, Birmingham

A fourth person in the car, who is in a critical condition, has not been named.

Fahsa’s brother Mohammed Kasir, 32, said: “Words cannot describe how we feel. It’s obviously an incredibly sad time for the whole family, as you can imagine.

“He was an incredible family man, he loved his family to bits. He was just a normal guy.

“At the time he was going around with his mates, minding his own business. It’s impossible to accept what has happened.”

Another brother, who did not wish to be named, said: “He was a very special person."


Just lovely regular guys out for the evening then.....
 
helpimcrap said:
The trouble is there seems to be a hell of a lack of ethically responsible parenting nowadays stemming from lates 90s and naughties to now?

Young people doing things with no consideration for the consequences and an inability to take responsibility because they are not disciplined properly or "i'll tell the police you hit me" etc.

That is more sad in my eyes. People dying because they committed a crime and endangered (but not killing) the lives of innocent people does not even come close in my eyes to actually killing someone because of your irresponsible actions. People are very liberal leading to a lot of this. Afraid to say boo for risk of offending the poor **********.
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Please. You talk as though things were glorious 30 years ago. No crime before the mid-80s, huh?
 
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