BBC TV channels to add more religion

Raz · 20 Dec 2017 at 23:48

Ok, this has to be my last post as I need to read Matthew tonight but I will say that when pushed, most people (believers) resort to one thing: that they have faith in what they believe. But unfortunately they don't always accept nor understand that faith alone isn't an indicator of the truth. As such a Christian who thinks their belief is true because of their faith is exactly in the same boat as any other believer of a different sections or religion who also uses faith.

I'm sure that makes sense but most of you will understand what I'm saying. It's late and I've already got cognative issues.

How does the above help my case about religion staying with us? Well, people are irrational

Fusion · 21 Dec 2017 at 06:45

Irrationality should not be fed though, nor accepted as a given. That’s why we have education.

LabR@t · 21 Dec 2017 at 06:55

Structured religion was created to control people in days gone by. In the beginning we had religion based on belief in sky, earth, wind spirits etc, then people decided that God(s) only spoke through special chosen few. This then generates the ability to control. " God has told me X,y,z" etc

It's all about control, wealth and power, is it any surprise that religious leaders in all faiths are wealthy and powerful?

Religion does not equal spiritualism, the later is purely the domain of an individual.

SPG · 21 Dec 2017 at 07:48

Totally against it, even more so if ends up being about Islam.

Yaayuh! · 21 Dec 2017 at 08:43

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Delvis · 21 Dec 2017 at 08:43

SPG said:
Totally against it, even more so if ends up being about Islam.

This is probably what will happen, which will inevitably divide the popular even more, just because.

Sliver · 21 Dec 2017 at 09:04

Raz said:
I've already got cognative issues.

That much is clear. Faith, belief without evidence, is a sign of irrational thought, a sign of invalid logic, a sign of a poor education, a sign of wishful thinking. But let me throw you a bone, everything that exists has to have a beginning. You believe a god exists. Who or what created god. Now we are in the territory of the infinite regress. How do you explain that?

SPG · 21 Dec 2017 at 09:11

Delvis said:
This is probably what will happen, which will inevitably divide the popular even more, just because.

Yes because you are not allowed to dislike/distrust anything anymore as it means your bigoted poorly educated buffoon....

Hagar · 21 Dec 2017 at 09:38

I'm OK with discussion of religion as long as it is intelligent, properly structured and critical.

Nothing should be off the table or deemed heretical. The starting position should be that the UK is basically agnostic with an equal tolerance of all beliefs. Atheism should have an equal standing with the three branches of abrahamist religion and all other religions observed in other parts of the world.

In addition nothing could be worse than televised sermons from adherents without structure or balance.

Vonhelmet · 21 Dec 2017 at 10:01

Sliver said:
That much is clear. Faith, belief without evidence, is a sign of irrational thought, a sign of invalid logic, a sign of a poor education, a sign of wishful thinking. But let me throw you a bone, everything that exists has to have a beginning. You believe a god exists. Who or what created god. Now we are in the territory of the infinite regress. How do you explain that?

Poor education? This must be why all religious folk are badly educated and all well educated folk are atheists.

Except that’s not even remotely the case.

NickK · 21 Dec 2017 at 10:09

LabR@t said:
yer but which religon? I think we all know where this is heading.

******* BBC I for one do not want to pay anything towards any religious programming whatsover.

scrap the license TAX now!

I am not religious - why do I have to pay for religious programming? Agreed.

Sliver · 21 Dec 2017 at 10:11

Vonhelmet said:
Poor education? This must be why all religious folk are badly educated and all well educated folk are atheists.

Except that’s not even remotely the case.

Wrong. That is exactly the case. Belief without evidence is fallacious and false. Religion and belief in gods is the reasoning of a feeble mind, un-educated and fallible. Man made god. god did not make man. This is what empirical evidence supports. Show me evidence of a god and I will believe. But you can't can you. Sad.

Vonhelmet · 21 Dec 2017 at 10:14

Sliver said:
Wrong. That is exactly the case. Belief without evidence is fallacious and false. Religion and belief in gods is the reasoning of a feeble mind, un-educated and fallible. Man made god. god did not make man. This is what empirical evidence supports. Show me evidence of a god and I will believe. But you can't can you. Sad.

You know, for someone touting the value of logic, this post is a remarkable non sequitur, considering I was picking you up on your claimed link between poor education and religion.

Tunney · 21 Dec 2017 at 11:52

Sliver said:
That much is clear. Faith, belief without evidence, is a sign of irrational thought, a sign of invalid logic, a sign of a poor education, a sign of wishful thinking.

Everyone’s belief system is largely based on irrational thought, even atheists. You may not believe in a god but you believe in flavours of fairness, justice and freedom.

Raz · 21 Dec 2017 at 11:55

Sliver said:
That much is clear. Faith, belief without evidence, is a sign of irrational thought, a sign of invalid logic, a sign of a poor education, a sign of wishful thinking. But let me throw you a bone, everything that exists has to have a beginning. You believe a god exists. Who or what created god. Now we are in the territory of the infinite regress. How do you explain that?

You seem to be (a) mocking my disability which is enough for me to add you to the ignore list, and (b) manage to ignore my point about religious doctors. Don't tell me, you think theres a special medical school for religious doctors to deal with their low levels of education and intellect.

I'm happy to have a sensible discussion and am well aware of what faith means but I think you've started believing in your intellectual superiority which is ironically irrational but in any case, no more replies to you.

Shocky-FM · 21 Dec 2017 at 11:58

That's fine, when they see viewer numbers drop compared to ITV they will soon change it.

V F · 21 Dec 2017 at 12:05

Tunney said:
Everyone’s belief system is largely based on irrational thought, even atheists. You may not believe in a god but you believe in flavours of fairness, justice and freedom.

Lol!

In a world of so many whinging about no fairness, no justice or very little and always complaining about lack of freedom.

Werewolf · 21 Dec 2017 at 12:32

As much as I find most forms of organised religion pretty much "do as I say not as I do" (at least as practised by the most vocal supporters), no other major channel seems to do any religious programming and given that the BBC is funded by the licence fee I can't see an issue with them trying to cater a bit to those who are religious (in much the same way I'd hope someone wouldn't have an issue with the BBC catering a bit to content I like, even if they're not a fan of it*.

It'll cost no more than showing the same number of hours of something like Bargain Hunt or other content people complain about.

*Although I have noticed a pattern about all channels, where people complain it's showing content they personally don't like (be it drama, documentaries, sports, quiz shows, news. films etc).

Sliver · 21 Dec 2017 at 12:46

Vonhelmet said:
You know, for someone touting the value of logic, this post is a remarkable non sequitur, considering I was picking you up on your claimed link between poor education and religion.

Do you think god is real? Prove it and in doing so prove me wrong. Otherwise, be quiet.

Vonhelmet · 21 Dec 2017 at 12:55

Sliver said:
Do you think god is real? Prove it and in doing so prove me wrong. Otherwise, be quiet.

I’m not out to prove you wrong regarding the existence of god, as I’m well enough educated to know that that’s impossible and probably pointless. I’m out to argue your claim that religious people are badly educated.