Has anyone elses salary been affected by the gender pay gap yet?

VincentHanna said:
Statement: Women earn less because they chose lower earning jobs

WRONG
Women tend to earn less per hour than men for the
same job whether it is a highly-skilled profession like
a doctor or nurse or a lower-skilled job such as a
salesperson. The gender pay gap exists across our
economy, and in all sectors and occupations.
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As far as I understand, companies in the UK don't report on the gap for the same job. They report on the average wage between men and women in the same company. So the above statement is going to be very hard to confirm in the UK. I took a (admittedly brief) look at it and they cite the source as "Eurostat, Eurofound" but don't link the actual report(s) where the statement is drawn from. I did some googling myself and found this from 2015 from the EU which may, or may not be the document in question:

http://ec.europa.eu/newsroom/document.cfm?doc_id=43416

Indeed it confirms that many reasons for the gap are due to choices made by each gender:

Although women are successful in gaining qualifications, their subsequent careers are often more interrupted, they have lower pay and their careers are flatter. As a consequence, they earn less than men over their life cycle, and their pensions are lower.
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Recent research confirms that sectoral gender segregation on the labour market accounts for a significant proportion of the gender pay gap in all EU countries: in other words, women are entering relatively low-paid sectors.
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While it does say that one factor may be discrimination it also states that it could be due to men working longer hours, different hours, less interrupted careers and being more prepared to move location:

This gap might also be due to wage premium related to some characteristics that are more prevalent among men. For instance, research 19 tends to show that men are rewarded for working very long hours, at particular hours, for less interrupted careers, and for greater geographical mobility than women.
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Modern feminism does not believe in equality. It believes in inequality in favour of women. At the very least it believes in equality of outcome rather than equality of opportunity.
 
The Economist did a report on the gender wage gap earlier in the year. The wage gap for men and women doing the same job at the same company was less than 1%, one of smallest gaps of any industrialised nation. Oddly though our overall average gap was one of the bigger ones, as mentioned above, due to women typically entering into low wage sectors. If it's something we need to address, then it's at school, to encourage girls to view STEM as a rewarding career path.
 
VincentHanna said:
That's certainly what I keep being told by blokes on the internet.
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There's a reason for it always seeming to be "blokes on the internet". We tend to have like minded friends in real life. So they will have similar views to ourselves. We wouldn't be friends with them otherwise. But on the internet you may come across a variety of views, including this one. It doesn't make the views right or wrong. But it explains why you seem surprised it's only people "on the internet" that have a view opposed to yours.
 
The gender pay gap is real but largely not due to sexist policies awarding men more for doing the same jobs as women. Most people know that. There is some (small) element of women not pushing so hard for wage increases or jumping between jobs so often, but that's true for many men and frankly there's nothing to be done for it. Stability vs money - age old question.

Where action might be needed is in society's acceptance that certain professions earn less than others. That for example a car salesman or estate agent has virtually unlimited earning potential because he's on commission. A midwife while universally more respected and admired, isn't getting that recognition in their pay packet. Many back-office functions within firms probably have the same problem.

Then there is part time work - many women will understandably want to work part time at some point in their lives (as do many men), and part time basically means working freelance or a minimum wage job. Have you ever heard of management level jobs being part time?

Ultimately addressing the gender pay gap - if done in the right way - could benefit everyone by allowing a broader choice of roles and working patterns without being punished with low pay.
 
Hades said:
There's a reason for it always seeming to be "blokes on the internet". We tend to have like minded friends in real life. So they will have similar views to ourselves. We wouldn't be friends with them otherwise. But on the internet you may come across a variety of views, including this one. It doesn't make the views right or wrong. But it explains why you seem surprised it's only people "on the internet" that have a view opposed to yours.
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Vincent has friends irl?????
 
I find short term goals to these problems to be the issue.

I got to go to the first meeting between the recruitment team for the graduate intake the year after me. They are a big company and hire a lot of graduates, the first order of business on the agenda was sex statistics and BAME. Before any other thing was discussed, they brought up the target % for each and what was actually recruited. The fact there are targets is ridiculous. All a company should be or do is not discriminate (WHICH IS AGAINST THE LAW!!!) and the statistics on all the groups are what they are... hire based on ability to do the job and nothing else it's as simple as that. Hiring someone to diversify the workforce rather than for their ability to do the job is not a good reason to hire them. I've yet to see any concrete evidence that forcibly diversified workforces are any better than one where they hire purely based on merit. And of course getting metrics on that is really hard I understand that. But before companies go on big pushes to do it surely they should ask (as a business) what benefit will this bring to my company? If the only answer they can give is "A diverse workforce is better", well please give me evidence of that. "Human equality, we're all the same and can do the same, patriarchy keeps white men in good jobs" on one hand "Get diverse workforces because everyone is different and can bring something different" on the other, seems contradictory to me.
 
Jokester said:
The Economist did a report on the gender wage gap earlier in the year. The wage gap for men and women doing the same job at the same company was less than 1%, one of smallest gaps of any industrialised nation. Oddly though our overall average gap was one of the bigger ones, as mentioned above, due to women typically entering into low wage sectors. If it's something we need to address, then it's at school, to encourage girls to view STEM as a rewarding career path.
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There are more women becoming doctors than men now, so not really a problem with women not wanting to do science. But being a doctor offers a lot of flexibility for having a family, working part time and still bringing home a big wage. Many engineering and IT jobs don’t offer this flexibility or £100k salary with final salary pension.
 
Fusion said:
Wrong approach. Bias (if present) should be removed, but positive discrimination isn't the answer.
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This a million times over. I regularly argue with a feminist friend of mine and I tell her that feminism as a cause will continue to stagnate and struggle to make any further gains as positive discrimination just alienated those they need to get inside. They need to get the “average” majority onside who aren’t really bothered by the whole topic being neither pro nor con but the way to do that is through sensible, measures policies and discriminational pay/hiring policies just marginalise those they need.
 
All kicking off again because of the BBC international editor resigning due to a pay scale gap against other international editors.

Me on the other hand, I’m paid less than the women in the company I work for, and I do a more skilled job than them.

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Guaranteed route to riches:
- Set up a business, any business.
- instigate informal policy of only hiring women
- have ability to undercut all competitors immediately, due to guaranteed lower staffing costs arising from riding the wave of the definitely existing 'gender pay gap'
- ...profit
 
Part of the problem is people thinking they are worth more than their job warrants.....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42601477

Ms Gracie, the former BBC China editor quit her £135k a year job having turned down a £45k pay rise because the editors for the USA and the middle East regions were on 200,000-£249,999, and £150,000-£199,999 respectively.....

Of course this stupid individual has claimed that this disparity is down to her gender....

However any person looking dispassionately at the wages can spot are far more obvious reason for the dissparity then the genitalia and or 'gender identity' of the people concerned.....

The BBC is primarily an English language media outlet... Yes it has some global reach and produces some non English content but the bulk of its content is in English....

Its target audience is therefore going to be more interested in content concerning the USA..... Thanks to the political and religious situation in the Middle East this area also occupies a disproportionate amount of time/space in English language media...

Simply put this woman's job was not as important to the BBC's consumers (and hence to the BBC itself) as the other two in terms of how much coverage the BBC would be providing for issues in the relevant areas....

Just look on the TV or the internet at BBC media.... There's far more coverage of the middle East and the USA then China ....

Feminism scores another win for expanding the pool for human stupidity and undeserved self entitlement.....
 
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She's kicking off about not being paid the same because she's female, yet the two male editors mentioned also aren't being paid the same (one more than the other), so what's her reason for that I wonder?

If people are recruited at different times and personal contracts are negotiated between the business and the individual at that stage, then surely there will be wage disparity in general.
 
Clarkson said:
She's kicking off about not being paid the same because she's female, yet the two male editors mentioned also aren't being paid the same (one more than the other), so what's her reason for that I wonder?
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I think I might have a slight inkling.... As per above maybe it's linked to how much content the respective editors actually have to edit and how important that content is to the BBC consumers....
 
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