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The latest AMD Drivers break DX9 games in some circumstances

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Rroff said:
Thing is you go to all that hassle but there is no guarantee it will work for the next big update - you'll probably have to go through it all again to make sure things are disabled or setup properly, etc.
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Yep, every major update requires all of the tweaking to be done again, but it can be scripted so it's not too painful. However, with LTSB you don't need the latest major update anyway. I am not sure if AMD or nVidia's latest drivers only work on the most recent version(s) of Windows 10 though, so maybe this is an issue?

I switched to using WSUS for Windows Updates back when Windows 10 was first released because all of my Windows 7 machines kept getting telemetry and update compatability updates that did awful things like that stupid pop-up advert for Windows 10. Because of that, I don't have to worry about Windows 10 updating itself without my permission and I don't have to worry about it installing random drivers either.
 
DragonQ said:
but it can be scripted so it's not too painful
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Problem is if they make changes that break the scripts and/or functionality that is new and not covered by scripts - which has happened with at least two major updates as they've made changes to the way things like group policies can influence Windows update :s

Be nice if once and for all they put control back into the hands of the end user even if it means paying for the professional edition - I'm less concerned if its the normal behaviour for the home edition, etc.
 
Rroff said:
Since IIRC 1511 build that doesn't work any more - it only stops additional supporting driver software and icons being updated and doesn't stop the core driver update (notice the text has changed to apps and icons) - for some reason some people whose install is based on much older builds still get the old behaviour unless they touch that setting at which point it starts doing the new behaviour - not sure the rhyme or reason for that.
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I never had Windows auto update a driver though? Even running out of data Graphic drivers for couple months.
 
shankly1985 said:
I never had Windows auto update a driver though? Even running out of data Graphic drivers for couple months.
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It makes up its own mind when it will do it :s and as before if you've used that setting in the past on an installation that existed previous to previous to 1511 for some reason it keeps the old behaviour for some people.

I'm not sure if its a bug or intended behaviour as it seems a bit hit and miss but given the change in the description text I'm assuming its intended.
 
If NVidia broke games like this, I wouldn't be happy at all. Quite surprised that people are happy to move on without fuss or bother and surprised to see a mod changing posts and defending AMD for this in truth.
 
Gregster said:
surprised to see a mod changing posts and defending AMD for this in truth.
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Not defending anyone - if the thread had been "NVIDIA to end support for DX9 games?" then I would have changed it as well, due to it being wildly speculative.

Whilst I've already admitted above that I was wrong and changed the title too far the other way - I've since corrected it again.

Gregster said:
If NVidia broke games like this, I wouldn't be happy at all.
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Both sides have released game breaking drivers over the years, even for games that are brand new - neither side are infallible - mistakes happen. Whether this particular one was a result of poor QC or whatever no doubt we never know. However, unless there is an official response that says "we are dropping support for all DX9 and earlier games" then it's fair to assume it's an unintended bug.
 
Rroff said:
Thing is you go to all that hassle but there is no guarantee it will work for the next big update - you'll probably have to go through it all again to make sure things are disabled or setup properly, etc.

Over the Christmas week I had family over which disrupted my normal usage of my home cinema setup and PC - wanting to watch the latest Grant Tour episode I had the choice of my normal tablet (8" 1280x800 so-so screen on Windows 8.1) or a newer tablet with a nice 1920x1200 IPS screen but Windows 10 - unsurprising everything was slow as **** and trying to watch video was constant pauses and rebuffering because Windows 10 was doing update stuff in the background as it had been 2-3 weeks since I last turned that tablet on - fortunately with some desperate task and process killing I managed to make it stop doing stuff for long enough to watch the episode before the OS went into meltdown because I'd killed some system critical process somehow.

I could make my life a bit easier by using 3rd party programs to stop Windows update in 10 but again that just causes more complication in the long run and makes it harder to manually control installing critical security updates, etc.

Its sad to see MS decline from the vision shown with Windows 7 into the blithering idiocy that seems to be calling the shots on Windows 10.

EDIT: I wouldn't mind buying Windows 10 professional edition at an extra cost if it allowed you to take proper control - though I'd still have a lot of criticism of the OS in other ways - as that is kind of the point of a professional edition! but it doesn't work like that - idiots. LTSB requires volume licensing and that whole malarkey so isn't really an option.
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Thanks for the warning I was thinking of getting a tablet, I think I'll buy anything other than a Windows version.
 
Armageus said:
I'll just go and bang my head against a brick wall....
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I hope they have you locked up in a nice padded cell first :p

Armageus said:
Where have AMD said they won't fix all of these games?
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Unfortunately the first and only response from AMD so far seems to be that the DX9 games affected are too old to be bothered about. In a response to concerns on the official AMD community message boards (discussing the C&C game problems), AMD technical support engineer Ray M wrote that "This title is from 2007, so we are unlikely to devote any valuable engineering resources to this issue, which is most likely caused by outdated API modules".
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Wrinkly said:
I hope they have you locked up in a nice padded cell first :p
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Are you just being deliberately difficult?

How is one quote from AMD in response to C&C Games, stating that it was unlikely to get any engineering resource, suddenly the same thing as AMD saying they will not fix issues with all of the DX9 and DX8 games that people have mentioned?
 
Haven't had an AMD card in years, and of the games mentioned I may replay Witcher 1, but I'm sure CDPR would sort the GOG version.

And while I wasn't planning to buy an AMD card next...yeah, it's not a good look for AMD. Hope they can sort it and more importantly finally bring a kick-ass product this year so I can at least have a better-priced Nvidia card.
 
viathinair said:
Haven't had an AMD card in years, and of the games mentioned I may replay Witcher 1, but I'm sure CDPR would sort the GOG version.

And while I wasn't planning to buy AMD next... yeah, it's not a good look for AMD. Hope they can sort it and more importantly finally bring a kick-ass product this year so I can at least have a better-priced Nvidia card.
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Yeah..... nice thought, the only problem with that is for you to get better priced nVidia cards AMD need to sell a lot more cards than they have in the past 5 years, if what everyone wants is a competitive AMD so they can buy nVidia cards for less then AMD are never going to be competitive and your never going to get better priced nVidia cards.

AMD with GPU's are now far too far behind nVidia to recover so we are now stuck with an nVidia monopoly.

Too many people with exclusive nVidia wants for too long, its now too late.

humbug said:
Yeah..... nice thought, the only problem with that is for you to get better priced nVidia cards AMD need to sell a lot more cards than they have in the past 5 years, if what everyone wants is a competitive AMD so they can buy nVidia cards for less then AMD are never going to be competitive and your never going to get better priced nVidia cards.

AMD with GPU's are now far too far behind nVidia to recover so we are now stuck with an nVidia monopoly.

Too many people with exclusive nVidia wants for too long, its now too late.
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You know what, maybe AMD have just got to the stage now where they don't really give a ####, PC gaming has lost them a #### ton of money and they cannot afford to lose anymore to it, i wouldn't be surprised if from here on out all we get from AMD is smaller low to mid range GPU's like the current RX 540/550/560/570 and 580. high end cards like Vega are a bleed in AMD's finances and mindshare.
 
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Armageus said:
Whilst I've already admitted above that I was wrong and changed the title too far the other way - I've since corrected it again.
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Thanks FWIW, the new title is better than the previous.
Armageus said:
Both sides have released game breaking drivers over the years, even for games that are brand new - neither side are infallible
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NVIDIA never released a driver that broke so many games at that scale. That point is moot anyway. The important thing is for AMD to fix this issue immediately.
 
 
Muhammad.Abdelhameed said:
Thanks FWIW, the new title is better than the previous.

NVIDIA never released a driver that broke so many games at that scale. That point is moot anyway. The important thing is for AMD to fix this issue immediately.
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LOOL
Because Nvidia are so perfect. You wrong!
I remember not so long ago Nvidia needed to release a Hotfix for a driver that kept crashing "ALL Games" The Display driver would stop responding

Like posted above Nor Nvidia or AMD are perfect and these things happen!

Even more so for AMD because of the push for the new driver Crimson onto a new Build platform DirectX Its so easy to say Nvidia drivers are perfect! They hardly changed for the past decade! AMDs drivers are completely new design everything from how they used to work to now has changed. And what happens when you make big changes? Things can break!
Yeah AMD need to fix this issue but I wouldn't go has far has to say "Immediately" LOL They have broke a couple games that hardly anyone plays Chill out a little bit
 
TBH if either Nvidia or AMD had to drop support for DX10 and earlier but allow for better stability and performance for DX11+ I honestly wouldn't be bothered. Things need to move forward at some point.
 
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