Autonomous Police Vehicle patent and cars

Panos · 27 Jan 2018 at 14:38

Ford (car manufacturer) filed for the following patent with the idea to be implemented it on all their cars.

http://pdfaiw.uspto.gov/.aiw?PageNum=0&docid=20180018869&IDKey=94FA7E6EDD0F

“An autonomous police vehicle may enforce traffic laws by identifying violators, pulling over the offending vehicle, capturing an image of license plate of the offending vehicle… determining whether to issue a warning or a ticket,”

Basically your car will enforce the law as you drive not only for you but the others around it. Report everything to the police instantly and in case it believes you have done some serious with your driving, pull you over and wait for your arrest....

Hades · 27 Jan 2018 at 14:40

One step closer to Big Brother each day.

asim18 · 27 Jan 2018 at 14:41

Hades said:
One step closer to Big Brother each day.

And SkyNet.

dowie · 27 Jan 2018 at 14:48

presumably they'd need to offer an incentive for people to buy these things, like cheap insurance etc..

or perhaps mandate them for people who've lost their license previously/ramp up insurance for those people in order to essentially force them onto these cars

I don't think they'd be a very attractive proposition for most people though, aside from perhaps some really anal people who believe themselves to be perfect drivers etc... "I'm a RoSPA advanced driver, I'm very safe don't you know", "All I need is a car to take me from A to B, you can't drive faster than 70 so why waste money" etc..

Glaucus · 27 Jan 2018 at 14:50

What a waste of time and money, a simple camera network (which already exists) could be programmed to do this.why bother pulling them over that makes no sense. Just send a notice of prosecution, just like speed/traffic light/bus lane cameras already do.

dowie · 27 Jan 2018 at 14:52

Glaucus said:
why bother pulling them over that makes no sense.

because they're trying to prevent excess speed, not just penalise it after the fact... if you can pull someone over and then issue a ticket you might well find that they change their behaviour for the rest of the journey (or you could pull them over again and issue another ticket and carry on doing so recursively...)

Panos · 27 Jan 2018 at 14:53

Glaucus said:
What a waste of time and money, a simple camera network (which already exists) could be programmed to do this.why bother pulling them over that makes no sense. Just send a notice of prosecution, just like speed/traffic light/bus lane cameras already do.

Actually is cheaper to implement this tech to cars than having cameras everywhere.

As for the pulling over, if you are over the drinking limit, or you drive dangerously you are due for arrest because these are not just normal motoring offences which lead to warning or ticket. But lead to criminal prosecutions.

Glaucus · 27 Jan 2018 at 14:54

dowie said:
because they're trying to prevent excess speed, not just penalise it after the fact... if you can pull someone over and then issue a ticket you might well find that they change their behaviour for the rest of the journey (or you could pull them over again and issue another ticket and carry on doing so recursively...)

First how does that achieve what you say, more than points.
Secondly a camera system would could monitor the entire network forcing you to never speed.
3rdly how is it going to issue a ticket.

Glaucus · 27 Jan 2018 at 14:54

Panos said:
Actually is cheaper to implement this tech to cars than having cameras everywhere.

We already have the major roads swimming in cameras.
And no this will be extremely expensive per car.

dowie · 27 Jan 2018 at 14:59

Glaucus said:
First how does that achieve what you say, more than points.

as I've already described... you could just repeatedly pull the driver over, that would get super annoying and delay their journey far more than if they just stuck to the speed limit

Secondly a camera system would could monitor the entire network forcing you to never speed.

camera systems don't force you to not speed, they just issue you tickets after the fact... this system doesn't force you either though would certainly be more persuasive

3rdly how is it going to issue a ticket.

doesn't really matter how, just so long as the driver is aware he's been ticketed once he was pulled over... perhaps it can simply warn him the first time

dowie · 27 Jan 2018 at 15:00

Panos said:
As for the pulling over, if you are over the drinking limit, or you drive dangerously you are due for arrest because these are not just normal motoring offences which lead to warning or ticket. But lead to criminal prosecutions.

that's a good point - you could add in detection of excessively drunk drivers (or indeed drivers who match fit the pattern of those who are dozing off etc..) into such a system and then force them to pull over/stop, alert authorities

Glaucus · 27 Jan 2018 at 15:01

dowie said:
as I've already described... you could just repeatedly pull the driver over, that would get super annoying and delay their journey far more than if they just stuck to the speed limit

camera systems don't force you to not speed, they just issue you tickets after the fact... this system doesn't force you either though would certainly be more persuasive

doesn't really matter how, just so long as the driver is aware he's been ticketed once he was pulled over... perhaps it can simply warn him the first time

Lol. Repeatedly pulling over would result in a ban, just like issuing a ticket through the post. You achieve nothing by pulling over. It does not achieve the goal you are going for. The biggest detergent is and always will be the points and ban.

This is one of the millions of patents that are filled and never enacted.nothing about it makes any sense.

Panos said:
As for the pulling over, if you are over the drinking limit, or you drive dangerously you are due for arrest because these are not just normal motoring offences which lead to warning or ticket. But lead to criminal prosecutions.

And how is an unmanned car going to achieve any of that.

The police would also be spending vast amounts of money for a decreasing issue.if we have autonomous Cara. Then the number of drivers will decrease year on year. Reducing the need for such a system in the first place.

dowie · 27 Jan 2018 at 15:05

Glaucus said:
Lol. Repeatedly pulling over would result in a ban, just like issuing a ticket through the post. You achieve nothing by pulling over. It does not achieve the goal you are going for. The biggest detergent is and always will be the points and ban.

well I wouldn't think most people would allow themselves to be pulled over multiple times, it would be super annoying thus the system could be pretty effective... it physically stops a speeding motorist pretty quickly... if they chose to speed again then it can kick in again - that is way more effective than just issuing a ticket from some average speed cameras a few days later as they've perhaps still spent the entire journey speeding

Glaucus · 27 Jan 2018 at 15:07

dowie said:
well I wouldn't think most people would allow themselves to be pulled over multiple times, it would be super annoying thus the system could be pretty effective... it physically stops a speeding motorist pretty quickly... if they chose to speed again then it can kick in again - that is way more effective than just issuing a ticket from some average speed cameras a few days later as they've perhaps still spent the entire journey speeding

It really isn't super annoying. Why do people build up points. You make as little sense as the idea.

asim18 · 27 Jan 2018 at 15:08

Glaucus said:
The police would also be spending vast amounts of money for a decreasing issue.if we have autonomous Cara. Then the number of drivers will decrease year on year. Reducing the need for such a system in the first place.

Nail on the head here.

dowie · 27 Jan 2018 at 15:10

Glaucus said:
It really isn't super annoying. Why do people build up points. You make as little sense as the idea.

If, as the OP suggested, your own vehicle was doing the enforcement (not quite what the patent is suggesting) then how would it not be super annoying?

In both cases you get a fine but in one case you're forced to stop - one objectively has more impact than the other, how does that not make sense? If you're unable to envisage such an idea then I'm talking to a brick wall here and this will just go around in circles with you quoting me again to inform me that speed cameras exist etc..

Glaucus · 27 Jan 2018 at 15:12

dowie said:
if, as the OP suggested, your own vehicle was doing the enforcement (not quite what the patent is suggesting) then how would it not be super annoying?

In both cases you get a fine but in one case you're forced to stop - one objectively has more impact than the other, how does that not make sense?

Oh no forced to stop. Who cares about that. It still requires a police car.the points are still what people are afraid of. It solves nothing and you staying teh same thing over and over doesn't change that fact.you really haven't thought this through.not one part of it amkes financial or results driven sense.

dowie · 27 Jan 2018 at 15:13

Glaucus said:
Oh no forced to stop. Who cares about that. It still requires a police car.the points are still what people are afraid of. It solves nothing and you staying teh same thing over and over doesn't change that fact.you really haven't thought this through.not one part of it amkes financial or results driven sense.

OK you've gone into furious typing/typo mode... I'll bow out now as I can see this just going round in circles.

Glaucus · 27 Jan 2018 at 15:13

dowie said:
OK you've gone into furious typing/typo mode... I'll bow out now as I can see this just going round in circles.

Lol

Kenai · 27 Jan 2018 at 15:18

Glaucus said:
Oh no forced to stop. Who cares about that. It still requires a police car.the points are still what people are afraid of. It solves nothing and you staying teh same thing over and over doesn't change that fact.you really haven't thought this through.not one part of it amkes financial or results driven sense.

The op was talking about your own car pulling you over, no police car required, having seemingly misunderstood what the patent was for.

If that was the objective I think it would be easier to simply speed limit vehicles rather than let you speed then the car pulls itself over