Equal Pay for different Job roles?

[Fubsy]

So when tesco are legally obliged to pay all their staff the same amount, what are they going to do when all their warehouse staff walk out to get a cashier job?

Call the job "store associate" and include EVERY task under the sun in the job description. Make everyone redundant and make them re-apply. Some will now have no job and no pay.

 

[Skillmister]

I don't get paid the same as the Directors in my firm even though we do the exact same job - sit behind a desk, take phone calls and have occasional face-to-face meetings with clients.

Brb making a formal complaint to 3x my salary

Can confirm, just emailed my (female) MD who told me to get stuffed. Seeking legal advice from the same lawyers as Tesco's female employees

 

[FoxEye]

I bet she wouldn't swap roles with the people working in the depot if the wages become "equal" though would she.

people stacking shelves in a supermarket often are slow as hell, take their time have a chat with a colleague at the same time.

Having personally working in a boots warehouse once upon a time in Nottingham where my roles included.
Unloading/loading trucks.
Moving pallets and the tall metal cages from the loading bay down to the storage area.

You are constantly on your feet, it's fairly physically demanding (we used pallet trucks like a carjack on wheels, not the luxury of a forklift truck)
Often the truck drivers would also get out of their truck, grab a spare pallet truck if there was one laying around somewhere and also help because they were in such a rush to get out and on to another job which just added to the stress of needing to be as fast as possible.
depot staff likely have had to do safety straining the store staff havent for obvious reasons.
working environment is completely different, one is cold, horrible in the winter, one is nice all year round.
There was no time to chat, no time to relax, no time for a small break at your leisure.

how can these 2 jobs even compare? it's laughable.

Yeah but you know what's happening these days. Look at what happened in the case of that female dog handler - who won her claim - who argued that physical requirements for female dog handlers should be lower because women are physically disadvantaged.

So in this case the argument will be: "Women stacking shelves are exerting themselves as much as men moving crates in warehouses, due to the differing levels of strength between men and women."

Therefore they will say since operating the checkout/stacking shelves is "just as hard" for a woman as a warehouse role is for a man, they they should be paid equally.

That's where this is heading.

 

[SpeedFreak]

So it's not what you do but how hard you try to do it that matters? Can't wait until that finds its way into the exam system.

 

[Haggisman]

Yeah but you know what's happening these days. Look at what happened in the case of that female dog handler - who won her claim - who argued that physical requirements for female dog handlers should be lower because women are physically disadvantaged.

So in this case the argument will be: "Women stacking shelves are exerting themselves as much as men moving crates in warehouses, due to the differing levels of strength between men and women."

Therefore they will say since operating the checkout/stacking shelves is "just as hard" for a woman as a warehouse role is for a man, they they should be paid equally.

That's where this is heading.

The logical extension of that would be that male shelf stackers and warehouse workers are paid less than their female counterparts since the job is apparently easier for them

 

[JamesZR7]

The article seems to be getting confused about a shop store warehouse and a depot/distribution center.

edit: So the people working the warehouse say the work is comparable to the people working in the distribution centers so they want equal pay as people working at a distribution center get more pay.

So this isnt a gender pay gap issue as it can effect any gender.

Yes, the article seems to use the two interchangeably. Definitely talking about depots though as staff who work in store grocery warehouse or backdoor are on standard rate.

Everyone on the shop floor is a general assistant now. You are asked to do any and all roles providing you have the training, it's why they removed your department from name badges a bit ago. What's she's saying in the video is that her working backstock and delivery onto the shop floor, is comparable to staff working in the depots. Arguable? I don't think it is. Stating there's a gender pay gap in tesco? Laughable.

 

[FoxEye]

The logical extension of that would be that male shelf stackers and warehouse workers are paid less than their female counterparts since the job is apparently easier for them

Or they will remain equally paid but women will demand that men lift the heaviest objects.

That's the closest analogy we can get to the female police dog handler case. She successfully argued that the entry requirements should be lower for women. That then means that female dog handlers will be less capable than male dog handlers. Ergo, male dog handlers will be paid the same but be required to undertake the most strenuous tasks whilst the female dog handlers do the less demanding* tasks.

*In absolute terms rather than relative to their gender.

 

[Drizmod]

Yeah but you know what's happening these days. Look at what happened in the case of that female dog handler - who won her claim - who argued that physical requirements for female dog handlers should be lower because women are physically disadvantaged.

So in this case the argument will be: "Women stacking shelves are exerting themselves as much as men moving crates in warehouses, due to the differing levels of strength between men and women."

Therefore they will say since operating the checkout/stacking shelves is "just as hard" for a woman as a warehouse role is for a man, they they should be paid equally.

That's where this is heading.

Yeah but then i'll just identify as a woman then problem solved

 

[Haggisman]

Or they will remain equally paid but women will demand that men lift the heaviest objects.

That's the closest analogy we can get to the female police dog handler case. She successfully argued that the entry requirements should be lower for women. That then means that female dog handlers will be less capable than male dog handlers. Ergo, male dog handlers will be paid the same but be required to undertake the most strenuous tasks whilst the female dog handlers do the less demanding* tasks.

*In absolute terms rather than relative to their gender.

I'm glad that the car thieves, muggers and burglars who these female dog handlers will be chasing and attempting to apprehend have gotten on board with this and agreed to "go easy" on the female dog handlers who failed to meet the previous entry requirements

 

[Roar87]

I'm glad that the car thieves, muggers and burglars who these female dog handlers will be chasing and attempting to apprehend have gotten on board with this and agreed to "go easy" on the female dog handlers who failed to meet the previous entry requirements

Perhaps the Men will handle large GSDs designed to rip the throat out of would be terrorists and the Women will have some sort of ferocious Terrier.

 

[Efour]

Heard this on radio 4 and it had an Equality angle equal pay, where women are generally paid less as it was mostly women in the stores "till staff and stackers" and men doing all the back breaking work out back....

What a complete crock of crap.

2 entirely different jobs valued equally by the employer Tesco..... Some women is gonna go on a crusade through the courts using the equal rights banner to push the fake agenda through for a payrise.

They should all swap jobs for a month or 2, see how that goes....

 

[adolf hamster]

novel idea: why don't we just pay everyone the same, regardless of race, religion, age, gender, political beliefs, physical ability or skillset

hell we might not even need money, just provide everyone with the same services that way we're all equal.

 

[TallPaul1878]

In other news, turnip production is at an all time high for the second year running.

 

[TallPaul1878]

novel idea: why don't we just pay everyone the same, regardless of race, religion, age, gender, political beliefs, physical ability or skillset

hell we might not even need money, just provide everyone with the same services that way we're all equal.

Yes once we've eradicated all of the people who aspire to improve their own lives and the lives of others we won't need any more mass murdering.

 

[Roar87]

I can't wait to live in the United Socialist Republic of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, it has a nice ring to it.

 

[Semple]

novel idea: why don't we just pay everyone the same, regardless of race, religion, age, gender, political beliefs, physical ability or skillset

hell we might not even need money, just provide everyone with the same services that way we're all equal.

That was my thinking. As much as people are after good pay, the easiest solution here would be to just pay all their staff the NMW regardless of age/gender.

The downside to this though is areas such as the warehouse which previous posters have mentioned is more physically demanding than a checkout job for example, you might end up putting people off applying for such roles. Which leaves businesses in the situation that they don't have enough warehouse staff because they feel that it unfair that they're getting paid the same as people sat on a checkout seat.

Cue up pay increases for the warehouse staff to entice people into those roles, and all of a sudden we're back into the same situation where there's a gender pay gap.

Eliminating gender pay gaps can only work when they're looking at the same job role. A male cashier versus a female cashier should be paid the same. A male warehouse worker versus a female warehouse worker should be paid the same. A female cashier versus a male warehouse worker should probably not be paid the same.

 

[adolf hamster]

Yes once we've eradicated all of the people who aspire to improve their own lives and the lives of others we won't need any more mass murdering.

i see what you did there ....

I can't wait to live in the United Socialist Republic of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, it has a nice ring to it.

ehh, i preferr "the benevolent democratic socialist people's republic of england, scotland, wales, northern ireland and her principalities", makes it sound more legit

 

[TallPaul1878]

I can't wait to live in the United Socialist Republic of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, it has a nice ring to it.

I won't be. I'll be going where the money is and if it isn't here then I'm off. We shall see how this all works out when everyone who actually does anything important decides to jump ship for greener pastures.

 

[Avenged7Fold]

Call the job "store associate" and include EVERY task under the sun in the job description. Make everyone redundant and make them re-apply. Some will now have no job and no pay.

Is this not massively off what they did for many middle manager and team leader like roles at some smaller Tescos a few years ago?

Redefine the role, offer redundancy or re-application to the new position which did not quite have the same terms employment as the original job?

I won't be. I'll be going where the money is and if it isn't here then I'm off. We shall see how this all works out when everyone who actually does anything important decides to jump ship for greener pastures.

The money is going where the bankers, insurance companies, financial traders and everyone else in the finance industry goes...

We are at a pivotal point in time as to whether we will remain a gateway to other finance markets and financial center of the world or not. Better hope the industry keeps passporting rights or you may have to check yours

 

[Caracus2k]

Whats always comical about these equal pay for different job arguments is that a signifcant tranche of feminists rail against traditional gendered roles in one sentence before going on to to say that 'womens' roles are underpaid in the next sentence...

Come on women if you want warehouse worker or bin operative pay ... Role up thoose sleeves and apply...

Whats that you don't like the hours or working outside in all weathers or in warehouses that are freezing in winter and boiling in the summer?

Well you can **** right of then