78 year old pensioner targetted for revenge

[Malevolence]

He was wrong but he never deserved to die, nor should the old man be prosecuted.

His family put some flowers up at the site of his death as people often do when there loved ones die, no need to be vindictive and tear them down.

His dead what more do people want?

How about the police doing the jobs that the tax-paying public pays them to do and set about arresting the members of the dead scumbag's family who are making death threats, both veiled and direct, against an innocent OAP and his wife? How about that for a start?

 

[Freakbro]

How about the police doing the jobs that the tax-paying public pays them to do

Is that any tax paying member of the public or only those net payers of tax whose opinion they should take into account....since the majority of the population don't pay anything towards the Polices wages

 

[Freakbro]

Because we're better than they are.

Precisely, though with a lot of the comments in here I would qualify that with 'supposedly'

Or would you rather live in a "society" that wasn't a society at all because people didn't give a damn about anyone else's rights?

Apparently to many people there isn't. You ask why society should give a damn about criminal's rights. Other people, like the person I replied to, said that criminals should have any rights at all. If someone has no rights (or nobody gives a damn about their rights, which effectively means they have no rights), then it's absolutely fine to imprison them for years, rape them, torture them and kill them. That's what "no rights" means - no rights, so anyone can do anything to them with definitely no legal repercussions and probably no social repercussions. If you don't give a damn about someone's rights, you won't care if they're chained up in a cellar for years being raped and tortured by their owner. Who would be their owner, of course. If they have no rights, they can be owned. Legally. So there's slavery relegalised too. Which would lead to slave labour because there would be plenty of people who would keep slaves if it was legal and socially acceptable but who wouldn't want to rape, torture or kill their slaves. History proves that all too well.

But there are many people, like the person I replied to, who would go much further than even that. Back in the days when England had outlawry as part of the legal system, it was a severe sentence that could only be given out by a judge after a trial or after a person had escaped, had had several opportunties to stand trial and chose not to do so. Many people today (like the person I replied to, but they're far from the only person, not even in this thread) advocate for everyone to have the power to make a declaration of outlawry and to do so without any kind of trial or investigation at all!

Quite. People take the protections of civilised society for granted and don't exactly think things through when cheering for or advocating Duterte levels of legitimate repercussions

 

[Dis86]

He was wrong but he never deserved to die, nor should the old man be prosecuted.

His family put some flowers up at the site of his death as people often do when there loved ones die, no need to be vindictive and tear them down.

His dead what more do people want?

That's not the site of his death for a start.

 

[kitch9]

im going to let u in on a bit of a secret....the guys dead

Context, how does it work?

 

[kitch9]

this is a funny conversation....i added some effects in

This is how ****** work mate they're toerags.

They have this inate ability to intimidate whilst playing the victim. This flower thing is nothing different. If the stabbed guy was my son putting flowers up over a terrified elderly mans house would be the least of my thoughts.

****** don't work like that.

 

[iamtheoneneo]

He was wrong but he never deserved to die, nor should the old man be prosecuted.

His family put some flowers up at the site of his death as people often do when there loved ones die, no need to be vindictive and tear them down.

His dead what more do people want?

Play with fire and your going to end up getting burnt.
He may not of deserved to die but he was certainly participating in activity that increases the chances of a violent confrontation occurring by quite a significant margin.
I think people want the family members to back the **** off, hes dead as he committed a criminal act and hes being made out to be some sort of martyr.
Society has defined many rights and many wrongs for a reason. Because without those structures everyone would be fearing for their lives on a daily basis.

 

[Dis86]

This is how ****** work mate they're toerags.

They have this inate ability to intimidate whilst playing the victim. This flower thing is nothing different. If the stabbed guy was my son putting flowers up over a terrified elderly mans house would be the least of my thoughts.

****** don't work like that.

You know that, I know that, most of this forum knows that but Amnesia lives in la la land.

 

[Chris Wilson]

You know that, I know that, most of this forum knows that but Amnesia lives in la la land.

Or a caravan perhaps? I hope they don't try to martyr this man, nor the Russian double agent, both lived duplicitous lives and knew the risks versus the potential gains.

 

[Rroff]

Disgusting - the dead person was quite prepared to steal from this guy with no consideration for his feelings or circumstances in life and now the scum he associated with are inflicting the same - if they want to commemorate the piece of **** that is their business but should go do it privately somewhere.

I know Sir Craig Mackey's latest comments are to try and keep the peace but meh we shouldn't be condoning this in any form.

 

[Moley]

He was wrong but he never deserved to die

He may not have deserved to die, but you can't deny that he earned his death by his actions.

 

[Jean-F]

maybe the coppers realise the laws are stupid and outdated, what real difference is there when a person phones a minicab and explains they want to go to a certain destination and the operator tells them to get in that vehicle thats infront of them and someone going upto a minicab and asking to be taken somewhere and the minicab driver calls the operator and tells them that the passengers want to go to a certain destination.....not sure what this had to do with the topic but oh well.

You’re right, it is off topic, and for that I’m sorry, but with the best will in the world, if laws appear stupid, and outdated, then petition the law makers to change them, or vote someone else in who will.
The bye laws in London are that Black Cabs can be hired from a rank, or hailed in the street, minicabs you have to phone for, or book online.
If a copper tells someone to take a minicab that is illegally “hanging it up” outside a venue, hoping to nick a fare from a Black Cab or licenced minicab, then he is in effect, complicit in encouraging the prospective fare and the car driver in breaking the law as it stands right now.
That is what I see as wrong, but as a retired Black Cab driver, I would, wouldn’t I?

 

[Dis86]

Disgusting - the dead person was quite prepared to steal from this guy with no consideration for his feelings or circumstances in life and now the scum he associated with are inflicting the same - if they want to commemorate the piece of **** that is their business but should go do it privately somewhere.

I know Sir Craig Mackey's latest comments are to try and keep the peace but meh we shouldn't be condoning this in any form.

Break in. Steal. Threaten with a weapon. Threaten the guys disabled wife.

 

[VincentHanna]

People are often bashing the police for wasting time on stupid/trivial things, but the MET deputy commissioner has specifically made a plea that the whole tributes being torn down thing is wasting police resources.

They can't win can they?

 

[Dis86]

People are often bashing the police for wasting time on stupid/trivial things, but the MET deputy commissioner has specifically made a plea that the whole tributes being torn down thing is wasting police resources.

They can't win can they?

Well they can...its dead easy. They either ignore it as taking them down isnt an offence or...they stop them putting them up which may well be an offence.

 

[Amnesia]

You’re right, it is off topic, and for that I’m sorry, but with the best will in the world, if laws appear stupid, and outdated, then petition the law makers to change them, or vote someone else in who will.
The bye laws in London are that Black Cabs can be hired from a rank, or hailed in the street, minicabs you have to phone for, or book online.
If a copper tells someone to take a minicab that is illegally “hanging it up” outside a venue, hoping to nick a fare from a Black Cab or licenced minicab, then he is in effect, complicit in encouraging the prospective fare and the car driver in breaking the law as it stands right now.
That is what I see as wrong, but as a retired Black Cab driver, I would, wouldn’t I?

when you say minicab im assuming its licensed otherwise this is bigger than pinching a fair, if someone sees minicabs ranked up they are going to assume they are free for business and you cant expect every civillian or even police officers to know every law.

the law on the issue is a bit funny tho as in my area you see black cabs working with private hire firms picking up booked fairs but minicabs just wont stop for you when you flag them down.

 

[Jean-F]

when you say minicab im assuming its licensed otherwise this is bigger than pinching a fair, if someone sees minicabs ranked up they are going to assume they are free for business and you cant expect every civillian or even police officers to know every law.

the law on the issue is a bit funny tho as in my area you see black cabs working with private hire firms picking up booked fairs but minicabs just wont stop for you when you flag them down.

I understand the confusion on this issue, as you quite rightly state, if "civilians" see minicabs ranked up, they'll neither know nor care that it is illegal for a minicab, or any chancer taking the opportunity to nick a few quid by pretending to be a minicab driver, to offer to take them somewhere.
In addition, if a minicab, or pseudo minicab driver in London sees someone obviously by their body language looking for a taxi, they won't hesitate to stop, and say, "Psst, looking for a cab mate?"
I do however, expect any London copper to know what's legal and what isn't on this issue.
I apologise again for side-stepping the original thread.

 

[FoxEye]

People are often bashing the police for wasting time on stupid/trivial things, but the MET deputy commissioner has specifically made a plea that the whole tributes being torn down thing is wasting police resources.

They can't win can they?

They could try to give the impression that they are there to protect and serve [the law abiding public], rather than to control [the law abiding public on behalf of the government], whilst being too terrified of the violent scumbags* to take any kind of action against them.

*Or of not protecting the criminals "human rights". Eg not pursuing thieves/muggers on scooters because they might fall off and injure themselves - true story.

I would suggest that might be a good start.

People - all sorts - have lost respect for the police. Today they seem to be more interested in going after the law-abiding Joe public with an extremely heavy hand; then in cases such as this show just how ineffective they can be at dealing with a genuine threat to public order and safety (hint: it's not the locals taking down the offensive shrine).

 

[TheVoice]

They could try to give the impression that they are there to protect and serve [the law abiding public], rather than to control [the law abiding public on behalf of the government], whilst being too terrified of the violent scumbags* to take any kind of action against them.

*Or of not protecting the criminals "human rights". Eg not pursuing thieves/muggers on scooters because they might fall off and injure themselves - true story.

They're also protecting their officers, who end up facing an investigation and potential criminal proceedings if someone dies as a result of a police-initiated pursuit.

If you're going to lose respect for the police over this so be it, but try to bear in mind that most of the time the police are doing exactly what the public want them to be doing, only it's not deemed worthy enough to make it on to the Daily Mail's front page.

 

[FoxEye]

If you're going to lose respect for the police over this so be it

Solely over this? Of course not.

It's more a case of "this coffin is running out of space to hammer new nails into".

Let's not forget that in other very recent news they've spent xxx millions on the McCann girl and more xxx millions on Julian "I imprisoned myself" Assange.

And so on and so on and so forth.