Motorcyclist ran off the road and left to die

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i was on my DR 350 a few years back, approaching a island i went down the outside of the traffic and nipped in in front of a old woman on her phone whilst driving , i pulled up to the island and waited for a space in the oncoming traffic she then pulled up to my back tyre and started to shove me into the oncoming traffic :eek:

wish i had got her plate the dozzy bitch :mad:
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Why are you “nipping” in front of anyone? Bikes should have to ride in the middle of the lane and queue as per normal traffic. Would be a lot safer for you and avoid any of these incidents.
 
pioneer2000 said:
Why are you “nipping” in front of anyone? Bikes should have to ride in the middle of the lane and queue as per normal traffic. Would be a lot safer for you and avoid any of these incidents.
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It’s called filtering and it avoids much longer queues of traffic forming and eases the traffic flow.
 
pioneer2000 said:
Why are you “nipping” in front of anyone? Bikes should have to ride in the middle of the lane and queue as per normal traffic. Would be a lot safer for you and avoid any of these incidents.
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Surely the main point of owning a bike is being able to do that? Seems crazy to ban it.
 
Think I've read about another one in the series regarding a car pulling out of a garage forecourt and taking out a husband and wife on a motorbike. Reading up on that one was bad but when I read this I was sad and angry.

lol @pioneer2000 as Tom says, it's filtering and is one of the major perks of riding a bike. The problem in his case was the driver not the filtering.
 
AHarvey said:
Think I've read about another one in the series regarding a car pulling out of a garage forecourt and taking out a husband and wife on a motorbike. Reading up on that one was bad but when I read this I was sad and angry.

lol @pioneer2000 as Tom says, it's filtering and is one of the major perks of riding a bike. The problem in his case was the driver not the filtering.
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Perk? Aren't all road users equal? Or is this some elitist biker attitude where you can't wait in line?

You'd be FAR safer if you rode down the middle of the lane and it wouldn't impact traffic any more than if you happened to be in a car, so proclaiming you are helping ease congestion by being a nuisance down the middle of two lanes isn't particularly helpful.

I thought riding a bike was about the feeling of doing so, not the "I can queue jump" and then complain when your weaving in and out of cars gets you mashed up.
 
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@pioneer2000 I think you would notice far more bikes on the road, especially in cities, if they all rode in the middle of the road! Riding a bike is not all about queue jumping, but taking up less space on the road and being able to filter through traffic is a huge advantage for a city rider (and city traffic in general). What about pedal cyclists? Should they also ride in the middle of the road rather than filter? I'm definitely much safer on my push bike if I take up a commanding position in the centre of a lane, and as you say if all road users are equal I am just as entitled to be there. I'm assuming you are basing your opinions on your great experience of riding bikes.

EDIT: What I didn't mention in response to the OP is how absolutely terrible this case is. It highlights how vulnerable bikers are and how idiotic some people driving can be.
 
pioneer2000 said:
Perk? Aren't all road users equal? Or is this some elitist biker attitude where you can't wait in line?

You'd be FAR safer if you rode down the middle of the lane and it wouldn't impact traffic any more than if you happened to be in a car, so proclaiming you are helping ease congestion by being a nuisance down the middle of two lanes isn't particularly helpful.

I thought riding a bike was about the feeling of doing so, not the "I can queue jump" and then complain when your weaving in and out of cars gets you mashed up.
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If motorcycles and cycles were not able to filter, you might as well just shut London down today, because it would grind to a halt immediately.

Motorcycle filtering is a global standard that helps faster traffic flow.

I am not a motorcyclist, by the way.
 
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Lots of motorcycle hate in here. Two wheels or four, everyone just wants to get from A to B safely and as quickly as they can.

Sweeting, of Bettws, Newport, who had had 21 convictions across 35 offences dating back to 1979, was given seven years in prison for death by dangerous driving, 12 months for attempting to pervert the course of justice, and was disqualified for driving for six years.
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Sentence seems stupidly lenient given hes such a repeat offender.
 
tom_nieto said:
@pioneer2000 I think you would notice far more bikes on the road, especially in cities, if they all rode in the middle of the road! Riding a bike is not all about queue jumping, but taking up less space on the road and being able to filter through traffic is a huge advantage for a city rider (and city traffic in general). What about pedal cyclists? Should they also ride in the middle of the road rather than filter? I'm definitely much safer on my push bike if I take up a commanding position in the centre of a lane, and as you say if all road users are equal I am just as entitled to be there. I'm assuming you are basing your opinions on your great experience of riding bikes.

EDIT: What I didn't mention in response to the OP is how absolutely terrible this case is. It highlights how vulnerable bikers are and how idiotic some people driving can be.
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I love filtering past people like you :p Bet you're one of those who tries to move over and block motorcyclists too, grumbling behind the wheel :D

Thankfully though you're in the minority. For every one person who tries to be a bell I must get 50 people who move over to give me room which I always thank them for. Some do it rather excessively but at least I know they've seen me so acknowledge them. :)

I do 54miles a day commuting through a city so a bike makes sense.
 
Gibbo said:
I've never understood the people who speed up as you try to safely pass or then proceed to chase you, if they don't want to be overtaken they drive faster, but why people have an issue with been overtaken on the road I fail to understand, it baffles me.

When I see a biker coming in my mirrors I go out of my way to give them extra room, also if I am having a spirited drive and biker catches me up, I don't then race with them, I let them pass, no matter how much they may want to race I find bikes and cars should always keep good distance as the handling, braking and acceleration characteristics tend to be very different.
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As a motorcyclist; Thank you.
 
Far too lenient, hopefully he will get a bit more justice inside.

As far as bikers, the ones that ride safely I have no issue on.
The ones that seem to think the speed limits don't apply, eg overtaking when already doing the limit on single carriageway do annoy me, as by default they are breaking the law, yet seem to think its a right.

The other ones as well, come past you and dive into your gap npw making you drive too close to them and causing you to break and every car behind you. They are typically the ones who apply the above as well.
If its busy and traffic is doing the limit then they should bloody well follow the same law as everyone else.

If its quiet, or stopped traffic then make progress.

Plenty of bikers don't seem to be able to ride according to the conditions and seem to think they have a right to get past cars.

Completely agree on the overtaking thing as well. Had it yesterday, I caught up and was stuck for about 1 mile behind someone doing 45 in a NSL.
Got to the point I could overtake and they immediately tried to speed up to stop me overtaking, then a car came round a corner in the distance (about 15 secs away at normal speeds so completely safe overtake) and they carried on accelerating, by this time I was doing 75 and was far enough in front to pull in but these idiots do my head in to be honest.

Personally I take it that its just dawned on them they are a poor driver and its shame that is taking effect with the red mist
 
Only 7 years for running a motorcyclist of the road killing them, seemingly in a fit of anger?

I've always thought the best way to murder someone is to do it driving as it seems in this country it's never considered murder, just dangerous or careless driving and so get a more lenient sentence.

My Dad had a motorbike accident some years ago when a van driver did a U-turn on a NSL road, his vans turning circle wasn't enough to do it in one move and so came to a stop in the middle of the road to start reversing when my dad smacked into the side.

Van driver ran off but was caught an hour later and only just passed a breathalyser test, he didn't get any jail time and my dad's pelvis was broken in multiple places.

I've seen two motorbike accidents in my time, both in my opinion was the fault of the motorcyclists but I'm fairly sure would have gone against the drivers.

Both times it's been when a motorcyclist has been passing cars around junctions and a cars pulled out, yes the car driver should be looking etc, but if I was a motorcyclist, driving defensively I'd never be overtaking a line of cars around a junction, especially when there's a gap right next to a junction, it just seems so obvious that a car is likely to pull out in the situation, I see plenty of motorcyclists who ride defensively, but the ones who do things like the above I just think it's only a matter of time.
 
pioneer2000 said:
Bikes should have to ride in the middle of the lane and queue as per normal traffic. Would be a lot safer for you and avoid any of these incidents.
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Yes indeed... and bicycles... and horses.... and those little mobility buggies...
Still think it's a good idea, or are you just a trolling ****?

pioneer2000 said:
Perk? Aren't all road users equal? Or is this some elitist biker attitude where you can't wait in line?
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Filtering is classified as a normal overtaking manoeuvre, which is why it is perfectly legal.
Nothing to do with waiting. Or do you seriously "wait in line" yourself and never overtake slower traffic in your car?
 
TripleT said:
I love filtering past people like you :p Bet you're one of those who tries to move over and block motorcyclists too, grumbling behind the wheel :D

Thankfully though you're in the minority. For every one person who tries to be a bell I must get 50 people who move over to give me room which I always thank them for. Some do it rather excessively but at least I know they've seen me so acknowledge them. :)

I do 54miles a day commuting through a city so a bike makes sense.
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Hopefully filtering past @pioneer2000? You'll definitely be filtering past my pushbike that's for sure!
 
Lopéz said:
Motorcycle filtering is a global standard that helps faster traffic flow.
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Unfortunately no its not a global standard and is illegal in some countries.

But back to the OP 7 years almost seems to be a standard sentence a friend of mine was killed in 2002 she was hit head on by a drunk/stoned driver who was on the wrong side of a dual carriageway.

He was well over the limit and in possession of both Class A and B drugs yet all he got for killing a 21 year old girl at the start of a promising career in the RAF was 7 years.
 
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