Not discriminating is discrimination

[Energize]

No, no it doesn't. The amount of melodrama in here is predictable, but silly. The thing that many people miss is that equality (especially the legal requirements around it) do not mean treating everyone the same. That's understandable as most of the time we mean equity when we say equality.

Treating everyone the same doesn't lead to equity.

Treating one group of people differently by expediting their service as the expense of another group does not achieve equity it does the exact opposite.

It is completely different to providing a ramp to wheelchair users because that does not negatively impact non wheelchair users.

 

[cheesyboy]

Treating one group of people differently by expediting their service as the expense of another group does not achieve equity it does the exact opposite.

It is completely different to providing a ramp to wheelchair users because that does not negatively impact non wheelchair users.

This doesn't negatively affect others either. See, basically, all my posts.

 

[Caracus2k]

Because you have Jews and Muslims included in the slow queue ahead of 'Ethel' when she joins (5 a day, 10 days, meaning 'Ethel' joins at position 46 to 50), when those Jews/Muslims wouldn't enter the slow queue. 'Ethel' would enter at position 37 to 40 (4 non-jew/muslims a day, 10 days).

And when the backlog of Muslims and Jews in the 'slow que' has been dealt with? (either because thoose already in the que that were Jewish or Muslim have been fast tracked themselves of just gone through naturally....

You will be left with a que where at the start of any given day positions 6 to 50 contain no Jews or Muslims (as they have been fast tracked into the top 5 with one person coming in the previous day leapfrogging them all) and as such positions 6 to 50 (the non Jews and muslims) can only advance four places per day not five of everyone was being treated equally....


Go on break it down day by day and position by position and prove your case if you think you are right!

 

[Energize]

This doesn't negatively affect others either. See, basically, all my posts.

I've already read them and it hasn't influenced my opinion.

This is not a case of treating people differently to get the same outcome it is a case of treating people differently in order to get a better outcome than everyone else.

 

[cheesyboy]

And when the backlog of Muslims and Jews in the 'slow que' has been dealt with? (either beacaus thoose already in the que that were Jewish or Muslim have been fast tracked themselves of just gone through naturally....

You will be left with a que where at the start of any given day positions 6 to 50 contain no Jews or Muslims (as they have been fast tracked into the top 5 with one person coming in the previous day leapfrogging them all) and as such positions 6 to 50 (the non Jews and muslims) can only advance four places per day not five of everyone was being treated equally....


Go on break it down day by day and position by position and prove your case if you think you are right!

There would need to be a 'push' at the outset to deal with the backlog, but it would be a short term thing. I don't think it's beyond the wit of man to push through such a thing.

Once that 'push' was over, you would be back to a system of 10 day waits for the 'slow' queue (new entries starting at position 37 to 40).

Use 40 as a starting point and take 4 away for each day - gives you 10 days.

 

[Caracus2k]

There would need to be a 'push' at the outset to deal with the backlog, but it would be a short term thing. I don't think it's beyond the wit of man to push through such a thing.

Once that 'push' was over, you would be back to a system of 10 day waits for the 'slow' queue (new entries starting at position 37 to 40).

Use 40 as a starting point and take 4 away for each day - gives you 10 days.

Where are you getting 40 from? At the start of any given day there is still 50 people to be dealt with regardless of the order they are dealt with in!

Again break it down day by day and position by position come on!

 

[cheesyboy]

Where are you getting 40 from? At the start of any given day there is still 50 people to be dealt with regardless of the order they are dealt with in!

Because Jews and Muslims (being one in 5 of the new entrants) don't enter the slow queue.

If you put them in the queue AND include them 'pushing-in' to the front, then you are double counting them.,

E:

there's no point me breaking it down day by day if you aren't on board with the size of the starting queue. And once you understand that, your own figures will show you what I'm talking about

 

[Caracus2k]

Because Jews and Muslims (being one in 5 of the new entrants) don't enter the slow queue.

If you put them in the queue AND include them 'pushing-in' to the front, then you are double counting them.,

Nonsense.. Again show us all day by day and position by position where either a jew/Muslim and non jew/ Muslim would be in the que in the example scenario.

 

[cheesyboy]

Nonsense.. Again show us all day by day and position by position where either a jew/Muslim and non jew/ Muslim would be in the que in the example scenario.

Fine

The size of the queue:
10 days of non-Jew/Muslim deaths ahead of Ethel = 4 x 10 = 40
All Jews and Muslims are processed on the day of arrival, so there are none in the queue ahead of her.

Ethel will join as position 37 to 40

Day0: 37 to 40
Day1: 33 to 36
Day2: 29 to 32
Day3: 25 to 28
Day4: 21 to 24
Day5: 17 to 20
Day6: 13 to 16
Day7: 9 to 12
Day8: 5 to 8
Day9: 1 to 4
Day10: processed

Reduces by 4 every day, since capacity is 5 per day, and one spot (of those 5) is taken by a Jew/Muslim fasttracker.

 

[Skunkworks]

It's not a closed system of 10 days.

 

[D.P.]

I've already read them and it hasn't influenced my opinion.

This is not a case of treating people differently to get the same outcome it is a case of treating people differently in order to get a better outcome than everyone else.

But where everyone else doesn't care.

 

[Caracus2k]

Fine

The size of the queue:
10 days of non-Jew/Muslim deaths ahead of Ethel = 4 x 10 = 40
All Jews and Muslims are processed on the day of arrival, so there are none in the queue ahead of her.

Ethel will join as position 37 to 40

Day0: 37 to 40
Day1: 33 to 36
Day2: 29 to 32
Day3: 25 to 28
Day4: 21 to 24
Day5: 17 to 20
Day6: 13 to 16
Day7: 9 to 12
Day8: 5 to 8
Day9: 1 to 4
Day10: processed

Reduces by 4 every day, since capacity is 5 per day, and one spot (of those 5) is taken by a Jew/Muslim fasttracker.

But if the Jews and Muslims don't get preferential treatment she would advance five. places by day and not four! How did the morgue magically get the 50 down to 40 if they are working at the same rate? It's only one jew or muslim entering per day? When the policy was enacted, assuming a steady rate of 1 muslim or jew per day previously, then if all Muslims and Jews in the que were fast tracked then there would be two days where the morgue would do nothing but deal with the Jews or Muslims to 'catch up' in the meantime 5 people still enter per day and at the end or start of any given day there are still 50 people waiting in the que. After the backlog is cleared you are left with 49 non Muslims/Jews and one Muslim or jew in the morgue at the end of everyday with that one Muslim or jew having been fasttracked to the top five

The non Muslims and Jews will now advance four per day not five as before as each and every day a Muslim or jew with leap in front of them up the que to the top five pushing them all one position back.

 

[cheesyboy]

But if the Jews and Muslims don't get preferential treatment she would advance five. places by day and not four! How did the morgue magically get the 50 down to 40 if they are working at the same rate? It's only one jew or muslim entering per day? When the policy was enacted, assuming a steady rate of 1 muslim or jew per day previously, then if all Muslims and Jews in the que were fast tracked then there would be two days were the morgue would do nothing but the Jews or mualims to 'catch up' in the meantime 5 people still enter per day and at the end or start of any given day by here are still 50 people waiting in. The morgue. After the backlog is cleared you are left with 49 non Muslims/Jews and one Muslim or jew in the morgue everyday with that one Muslim or jew having been fasttracked after they entered the day before.

The non Muslims and Jews will now advance four per day not five as before as each and every day a Muslim or jew with leap in front of them up the que to the top five pushing them all one position back.

Yes.....

There would need to be a 'push' at the outset to deal with the backlog, but it would be a short term thing. I don't think it's beyond the wit of man to push through such a thing.

Once that 'push' was over, you would be back to a system of 10 day waits for the 'slow' queue (new entries starting at position 37 to 40).

 

[Caracus2k]

Yes.....

But as I showed you still have the same amount of people in the morgue at the start of any given day (50) regadless of the order you process them in and the non Jews or Muslims now only process four places up that list not five as before so are on the list longer.

Even if the morgue 'pushed' the speed up to start to get the que down from 50 to 40 at the start or end of any given day the fact remains that there is still the 4 vs 5 places per day issue for non Muslims or Jews re the speed they advance down that que of 40

 

[Burnsy2023]

I still think this is a storm in a teacup. This has been the status quo in the UK for a long time. The vast majority of delays are investigation or paperwork issues that are not affected by this and even those delays are often sorted by contacting the Coroner. People can rant and rave, but it's effects are minimal or even negligible. So apart from people ranting for the sake of ranting, what's the problem?

 

[Skunkworks]

So apart from people ranting for the sake of ranting, what's the problem?

Inequality.

 

[cheesyboy]

Even if the morgue 'pushed' the speed up to start to get the que down from 50 to 40 at the start or end of any given day the fact remains that there is still the 4 vs 5 places per day issue for non Muslims or Jews re the speed they advance down that que of 40

But people would still go through the system in 10 days - which would mean no change to the pre-fasttrack queue times.

And that's been my point all along

 

[Caracus2k]

I still think this is a storm in a teacup. This has been the status quo in the UK for a long time. The vast majority of delays are investigation or paperwork issues that are not affected by this and even those delays are often sorted by contacting the Coroner. People can rant and rave, but it's effects are minimal or even negligible. So apart from people ranting for the sake of ranting, what's the problem?

The status que for some Jews in the West includes the practice of a male mohel putting a just circumcised child's penis in their mouth!

I take it you are fine with often old men sucking children's penises as that's also part of the status quo for a relevant religion here?

 

[Caracus2k]

But people would still go through the system in 10 days - which would mean no change to the pre-fasttrack queue times.

And that's been my point all along

But if there was no preference given to Jews and Muslims everyone would go though potentially in eight days as the morgue can still processes five bodies per day!

I understand that reducing the waiting list length reduces the average wait time for all people, taken as a whole. But if the rate of processing remains the same then wait times will still be longer for the non Jews and muslims!

Any reduction in the waiting lists should benefit all people not just some!

Its as insane as if I gave a pay rise to only the white men in my workforce and when everyone else complained i told them to stop winning as they were still being paid the same as before so had nothing to moan about!

 

[Skunkworks]

War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.
Preferential treatment is equality.