Is it racist to say gun/knife crime in London is predominantly caused by a certain race?

This kind of thing wasn't rife in the old days because the law was heavy handed with reprobates.

I see you changed your post....as London as always had stabbings....in fact the overall numbers don't seem to fluctuate that much.

But you still think violent/knife crime wasn't rife in the old days? I guess you haven't watched Peaky Blinders then :p
 
Which again could possibly be distorting view people have of overall knife crime in the UK?


"People" are not generally so stupid as to not read the foreign names and see the colour of these murderers and shooters and knife attackers. Constantly joining threads in support of a sub culture of ethnic origin men calling for constant statistics just winds people up. You are in total denial and trying to sway the un-swayable. It's patently obvious we have imported a lot of immigrants who are unwilling or unable to adopt British values to life and harmonious existence, or to see their offspring adopt them. The authorities are losing control by being hamstrung by PC nonsense where they skirt the obvious issues and the likes of the BBC give air time to "ex" black gangsters who cite every reason save endemic disregard for British law and order as the cause of their compatriots behaviour. Poverty is patently not the issue, more like a lack of work ethic, or ethics in general leading them down a path to criminal earnings and the celebration of an unlawful lifestyle mocking anyone who cares to suggest this, aided by a liberal elite braying we are all racists, ignorant and intolerant.
 
Christ guys.. it's not hard to find the numbers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_Kingdom

But before the bigots get all excited about the numbers, here's what I said the last time I posted these stats:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_Kingdom

[21] This is arguably due to the fact that black male youths are more likely to commit certain types of crime. The black population of London in 2010 was just over 12%, yet black males were responsible for 54% of street crimes and 59% of gun crimes.
So, as you see the numbers agree with you. But here's the problem, Chris. That's where you stop. You don't think any further. You draw a line right here, at this point, at the conclusion that because they are black, they will commit crime.

That is racism. That is what I take issue with, with bigots just like you. Instead of even asking "Well why is it that black males are so disproportionately commiting crime?" you conclude it must be the colour of their skin that does it, because you don't think any further. You don't even question how on earth could the pigmentation of someone's skin decide what laws and/or morals they will abide by. You're satisfied with the idea that it is just because of their colour.
 
Having been a victim of knife crime, perpetrated by a white, northern working class lad, whilst up north, I beg to differ.

Sorry to hear that, but it's not a common thing or part of the culture where I live and never has been. I've never heard of anyone where I live being stabbed or even carrying a knife, and I don't come from an affluent area at all.
 
Gangster rap?

Thats hip hop culture, which isn't exclusive to black people.

I’d argue it isn’t... plenty drugs up north. I’m waiting for some stats but gun and knife culture doesn’t appear to be an issue up there?

Go to any electronic music festival.. drug taking and dealing are rampant. No real issues at those?

Notting hill carnival always seems to make headlines for violence though.

I agree poverty plays a role. However the instant fall back argument ‘it’s because we are poor’ seems to get weaker once people look into it.

London has had the biggest increase so it's getting all the attention, but knife crime is up in 38/44 police forces.

Poverty is a factor but not the only cause, this was discussed in a similar thread in SC. But poverty in London is very different because you're more isolated and are surrounded by wealth unlike up north where there's a stronger community feeling.

If they policed festivals the same way as Notting Hill Carnival you'd probably see similar arrest numbers (proportionately of course, around a million people attend).
 
Sorry to hear that, but it's not a common thing or part of the culture where I live and never has been. I've never heard of anyone where I live being stabbed or even carrying a knife, and I don't come from an affluent area at all.

There was loads of it whilst I was a kid. Not so much stabbings but kids carrying concealed weapons, generally used for muggings. It's been going on since time immemorial. You're lucky you didn't get caught up in it if you don't know anything about it. It goes on everywhere.

The difference now, and especially in London it seems, is that the Police are so far stretched and under resourced that the little ****s don't fear getting caught and the omerta and distrust of Police (again, which is amplified by a lack of resources) gives offenders from the most deprived areas (often with a higher black population) the chance to hide in daylight.
 
I’d argue it isn’t... plenty drugs up north. I’m waiting for some stats but gun and knife culture doesn’t appear to be an issue up there?

Go to any electronic music festival.. drug taking and dealing are rampant. No real issues at those?

Notting hill carnival always seems to make headlines for violence though.

I agree poverty plays a role. However the instant fall back argument ‘it’s because we are poor’ seems to get weaker once people look into it.

it is a issue but not at the level of down south.also many stabbings wont get reported.drugs wise it comes down to the drugs being sold . coke and heroin often goes with violence.coke is a big uk issue.literally most of the issues involve gang culture and drugs. we basically sorta at how new york used to be. its kinda cool for kids/teens to be in gangs or sellng drugs.music reflecting it. poverty obviously plays a part.why work at mcdonalds when you can sell drugs do less seem cool to all your mates.the thing is you do that and make money someone else isnt making that money cause you making it so then comes violence.thats most of it in a nutshell.

guns are harder to get than knifes so that is why knives are used.

there is lots of crime up north.wherever...its just the spotlight is on london at the moment.

when i was working in a certain part of notts there were 3 murders on the same road.in the same week.notts isnt as bad as it was but a lot depends on where you are what you follow know about whats reported.

one of the biggest drug dealers in the uk arrested ever part of a euro cartel was also from here.there will be people the same all over britain.its not just the south that has this issue just as said the spotlights on them.

im going to add to this that currently there is some kind of wave pushing for whos to blame or media fanfair for this crap. the hottest trending video at the moment is racial whatever label you wanna put on it.kinda bores me tbh. people always want to point the finger or someone control everything. video here

 
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It's the same in Chicago.
Black on black crime.

https://heyjackass.com

Perhaps the breaking down of family values has a part to play, no role models leads to wayward behaviour.

"more than 72 percent of children in the African-American community are born out of wedlock in the USA" 2010 stats
 
It's not an issue of skin colour, its a problem within their culture. Socio economic or whatever there is an issue and the facts support that. If it makes anyone feel better you can always tell yourself that it's not their fault.

Still it does not get away from the facts.
Yup, asking the very same questions I was alluding to. Thanks for completely agreeing with me.
 
It's not an issue of skin colour, its a problem within their culture. Socio economic or whatever there is an issue and the facts support that. If it makes anyone feel better you can always tell yourself that it's not their fault.

Still it does not get away from the facts.

Indeed and I don't think anyone has even blamed skin colour tbh.. I'm not sure what all the faux virtue signalling from some posters in this thread re: "the bigots" etc.. is in reference too.
 
Yup, asking the very same questions I was alluding to. Thanks for completely agreeing with me.


Yet when the likes of I or even the United States President suggests a ban on immigration form places like Somalia, easily the most lawless country in the world, and others of similar ilk, people reach for the smelling salts... :) I recall Keith Vaz, he of ill health unable to face questions on his role in a homosexual drug party, yet travelling the globe, embracing Romanian immigrants to the UK on their joining the EU, and saying nothing will change, few will come. Yet the Met has now got its work cut out with Roma gypsies sleeping rough and being near dominant in some regions for street and cash point crime. We need to address the fact that immigrants from regions of lawlessness, or from cultures with a long history of criminality bring those traits to the UK with them.
 
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There was loads of it whilst I was a kid. Not so much stabbings but kids carrying concealed weapons, generally used for muggings. It's been going on since time immemorial. You're lucky you didn't get caught up in it if you don't know anything about it. It goes on everywhere..

Yes but generally those people didn't go through with it and actually stab someone.

It's a completely different mindset with these wannabe gangstas.
 
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