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First Radeon card in forever but a million problems?

Techen

Techen

Techen

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So I bought a Vega 56 to use on my freesync ultrawide and my god its brutal how many issues I've had in the first day alone.

First I've had my entire system shut down for no reason, Event manager didnt log anything.

Next the screen went blank and the gpu fan sat at 100%, But windows was still running fine, So the GPU just gave up.

Radeon Wattman blows my mind at how buggy it is, No matter what you set in there for voltages it just does not listen to inputs, Half the time it resets saved settings and profiles. So I can't even underclock it for the life of me.

So can anyone lend some advice before I send this card back and forever go back to Nvidia? Am not entirely impressed by anything. Apart from freesync, Thats pretty rad.
 
Sorry to hear of your experiences. Only thing I can advise really is same for any new product, use it at completely stock settings for a while first to check everything is okay before doing any tweaks. A good gaming session for a few hours should prove that, hopefully. Sudden shutdown might be power supply related?
Tried a RX580 for a day or so recently to tweak for someone and found it pretty good, and I've not touched AMD GPU's for years now.
 
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Is it in the system on its own? if its replacing the 1080ti you might have to nuke the nVidia drivers and if they are both in the system that might not play nice at all.
 
Only way you can 100% apportion the problems to the gpu is an OS reinstall, last time I went from one vendor to the other, I had TDR, CTD, blue screen, system shutdowns/resets missing DSR and no hardware PhysX, tried driver cleaners, wasted loads of time/patience and all it took was a new OS.
 
Very common faults with Vega especially if you run it out the box. If it's been used as a mining card for say 2-3months then the previous user may have cooked the tim. Are you running anything like gpu-z or anything that can sometimes interfere with the i2c bus?. What Amd driver version have you installed? Wattman will sometimes forget the overclock profile on restart, or if it crashes.

What kind of tweaking in the profile have you done?
It is a case of undervolting and frequency tuning the p6-p7 states + hbm Freq which will take time.
What temps and clocks are you seeing on the core, hbm and hotspot in gpu-z.
 
Techen said:
So I bought a Vega 56 to use on my freesync ultrawide and my god its brutal how many issues I've had in the first day alone.

First I've had my entire system shut down for no reason, Event manager didnt log anything.

Next the screen went blank and the gpu fan sat at 100%, But windows was still running fine, So the GPU just gave up.

Radeon Wattman blows my mind at how buggy it is, No matter what you set in there for voltages it just does not listen to inputs, Half the time it resets saved settings and profiles. So I can't even underclock it for the life of me.

So can anyone lend some advice before I send this card back and forever go back to Nvidia? Am not entirely impressed by anything. Apart from freesync, Thats pretty rad.
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Has your 850W G3 new PSU arrived and is this experience now with it?
Vega is a power hungry chip and there are possible power spikes that will result in unstable power supply.
You said yours was 650W and you peaked at 600W.
90% efficiency of 650W is 585W, which means you probably go over the PSU seiling and this is why it shuts down, before something is damaged.

Try with at least this 850W PSU.
Also, can you use another application, not Radeon Wattman? Sapphire Trixx or MSI Afterburner.
 
Techen said:
So I bought a Vega 56 to use on my freesync ultrawide and my god its brutal how many issues I've had in the first day alone.

First I've had my entire system shut down for no reason, Event manager didnt log anything.

Next the screen went blank and the gpu fan sat at 100%, But windows was still running fine, So the GPU just gave up.

Radeon Wattman blows my mind at how buggy it is, No matter what you set in there for voltages it just does not listen to inputs, Half the time it resets saved settings and profiles. So I can't even underclock it for the life of me.

So can anyone lend some advice before I send this card back and forever go back to Nvidia? Am not entirely impressed by anything. Apart from freesync, Thats pretty rad.
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Is this a brand new card?

what are the specs of your system? What drivers are you using? What have you tried to troubleshoot the problem?

Are you using windows 10 or windows 7?

Wattman isn't that buggy anymore, it's been pretty good since October/November last year.
 
So my entire system is 8700k, 3200mhz DDR4 ram, Windows 10, 650w gold corsair psu, ssd for my main boot device. Gigabye gaming 7 board.

Gone back onto a 1060 for the time being while my 850w psu comes. However I dont really think thats the issue. Even if its peaking at just under 600w theres still 50w remaining for the PSU?

I noticed I left it running youtube and came back with the gpu on full rpm and black screen again. So its dying even when not under load :D!
 
You need either a new fresh install of Windows 10 with Radeon drivers only, or do a very thorough clean-up of your graphics card drivers with DDU.
 
Depending what Corsair psu it is you may be cutting it very fine - some were pretty bad (and age always degrades all makes).

I may have missed it but did you do a clean is install? Nvidia drivers are notorious for not removing properly and causing issues down the line so a clean is install is a good idea. You can try to fake it by using something like DDU if you can't do a full clean install.
 
Can you try running profile custom, rather than default. Lower P7 from 1632 to 1597 and test the GPU again do you still crash. I have seen couple reports from people PC crashing with VEGA running on default profile, not sure if this is PSU related and lowering the GPU core a touch makes the system stable.

650w PSU is below the required spec for VEGA i think its 850w
 
shankly1985 said:
Can you try running profile custom, rather than default. Lower P7 from 1632 to 1597 and test the GPU again do you still crash. I have seen couple reports from people PC crashing with VEGA running on default profile, not sure if this is PSU related and lowering the GPU core a touch makes the system stable.

650w PSU is below the required spec for VEGA i think its 850w
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Am having crashes when cores at 1200 with 1v, was trying to keep voltage low so I could squeeze in the 650w psu. However it still crashes with that and even then it boosts to 1.2v when ive selected 1v, The software doesnt work for me :(
 
Sadly the devil is in the detail with these issues.

Is it an old driver issue?
Is it an ex mining card?
Is it an overloaded PSU?
Is it just the rare case of faulty hardware, all vendors get it?

I'd definitely do a clean install of Windows, it's a pain but could remove a lot of doubt in one hit. Plus with your new PSU you should narrow it down a lot.

Do you know anyone with an AMD gpu you could try the card in? That could save a lot of time and money if it works in their system.
 
JediFragger said:
So with the new psu the Vega56 is costing you over £600!?? That's crazy crazy crazy man :(
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My first thought was PSU. It’s exactly the same reason I didn’t buy a Vega64 at launch and have been patiently waiting it out for the next Nvidia cards instead. Didn’t expect to still be using my RX480 but there you go. Only a few more months now hopefully!
 
HRL said:
My first thought was PSU. It’s exactly the same reason I didn’t buy a Vega64 at launch and have been patiently waiting it out for the next Nvidia cards instead. Didn’t expect to still be using my RX480 but there you go. Only a few more months now hopefully!
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Sensible man, very very sensible! By all the tidbits, the new nVidia cards are going to be tuned well for the next-gen api's (DX12/Vulkan) :cool:

I won't switch from my Ti unless I come across a very good deal, but with 'The Division 2' due sooner than anticipated I may crack as that has a good DX12 implementation!
 
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