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the piece in his video about nvidia shills was spot on though ,don't you think ?
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Might be right but some peeps seem to think they are whiter than white (Feels very Apple in a way) and AMD marketing feeds this. I have no doubt if the market positions where switched that AMD would do mo iffy stuff like they have done in the past
That's ironic because I think that all the obsessive Nvidia supporters are much more like Apple supporters, where you don't just like the company's products, you buy into it as a lifestyle statement and a side to support tribally against all others.
I find that AMD has done much more that they are willing to open source and let out into the world for the benefit of all gamers (Bullet, Vulkan/DX12, Hairworks, etc), whereas Nvidia seem to lock everything in to leverage against anything external (Gameworks, PhysX, Cuda, etc). Nvidia are also not shy about effectively obsoleting their own hardware and degrading older performance through drivers in order to "encourage" users to upgrade to newer cards. I find it difficult to support a company that works actively against their own customers to better their own financial interests. Combined with all the other shenanigans that are simply the philosophy of how Nvidia do business, and I prefer to spend my money elsewhere.
It's not an emotional response against Nvidia, or a particular love for AMD, but more of a distaste for the way Nvidia operates. In the end, it's up to Nvidia to decide how they want to do business, and up to customers to decide if that's part of the factors they take into account when buying new products.
Well we live in times where we got 2 options atm
1. Nvidia that wants all yer money and is CRUSHING COMPETITION in every possible way. **** I'd do it if it was my firm i see some small guys getting in my way possible danger in future DESTROY before it becomes dangerous to my buisiness
2. AMD that constantly hypes people with marketing ******** and slides where 2 % loooks like 300% gain. Just to shatter dreams of fanboys few months later with product that's nowhere near of what they hyped or just underdelivers.
I just have MASSIVE hope that Intel can build something better than AMD does not need to be better than NV that wont happen. Hope drivers are better than for theirs first and only video card taht I actually owned ARTIFACTSSSSSS everywhere crashin ect sold the bloody thing after 6 months... Drivers ware worse than on S3 Savage I had and that says allot
1. Nvidia that wants all yer money and is CRUSHING COMPETITION in every possible way. **** I'd do it if it was my firm i see some small guys getting in my way possible danger in future DESTROY before it becomes dangerous to my buisiness
2. AMD that constantly hypes people with marketing ******** and slides where 2 % loooks like 300% gain. Just to shatter dreams of fanboys few months later with product that's nowhere near of what they hyped or just underdelivers.
I just have MASSIVE hope that Intel can build something better than AMD does not need to be better than NV that wont happen. Hope drivers are better than for theirs first and only video card taht I actually owned ARTIFACTSSSSSS everywhere crashin ect sold the bloody thing after 6 months... Drivers ware worse than on S3 Savage I had and that says allot
Well we live in times where we got 2 options atm
1. Nvidia that wants all yer money and is CRUSHING COMPETITION in every possible way. **** I'd do it if it was my firm i see some small guys getting in my way possible danger in future DESTROY before it becomes dangerous to my buisiness
2. AMD that constantly hypes people with marketing ******** and slides where 2 % loooks like 300% gain. Just to shatter dreams of fanboys few months later with product that's nowhere near of what they hyped or just underdelivers.
I just have MASSIVE hope that Intel can build something better than AMD does not need to be better than NV that wont happen. Hope drivers are better than for theirs first and only video card taht I actually owned ARTIFACTSSSSSS everywhere crashin ect sold the bloody thing after 6 months... Drivers ware worse than on S3 Savage I had and that says allot
Historically and objectively, nVidia drivers have been far worse than AMD/ATi's.
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Bullet = nothing to do with AMD
Vulkan = They handed over Mantel to become Vulkan as they didn’t have the resource to maintain even a vendor only API by them self's
DX12 = Nothing to do with AMD directly, Microsoft made as there was a push for to the metal API but it swung to far that way and that’s why its had little use as the
Hairworks = That was Nvidia, you are thinking of Tress FX
This again? Is the any real proof that this still speculation of the reason for the data at hand
AMD are like Nvidia they are out there to get as much money from you as possible
The open source thing, there is good reason to have both closed and open source code technology they both have advantages and disadvantages, its not as easy as saying one is inherently better than the other.
AMD have a tend to release a tech with no little support and development and expect the "community" to pick up the slack. a lot of developers won't/can't implement stuff of the own. This come from working with game middleware for 7 years we would never expect to just hand over code to customers after a sale and expect them just to use it.
Part of said tech meant implementing physics engine as part that tech. Bullet, Havok, PhysX and in house solutions, I know which had the most issues, which company gave the most support, and which was silent when there drivers broke OpenGL and so render window on the tech I used to work with.
Sadly even though the said tech has been closed down now by the parent company still take pride at E3 knowing some of the biggest games shown off used the tech
There are a few other issue I have with AMD how they operate and what not.
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Well we live in times where we got 2 options atm
1. Nvidia that wants all yer money and is CRUSHING COMPETITION in every possible way. **** I'd do it if it was my firm i see some small guys getting in my way possible danger in future DESTROY before it becomes dangerous to my buisiness
2. AMD that constantly hypes people with marketing ******** and slides where 2 % loooks like 300% gain. Just to shatter dreams of fanboys few months later with product that's nowhere near of what they hyped or just underdelivers.
I just have MASSIVE hope that Intel can build something better than AMD does not need to be better than NV that wont happen. Hope drivers are better than for theirs first and only video card taht I actually owned ARTIFACTSSSSSS everywhere crashin ect sold the bloody thing after 6 months... Drivers ware worse than on S3 Savage I had and that says allot
Overclockers dream.....
We are for the gamer...... Then releases a mining optimised driver
I do remember the S3 Savage and there TnL engine which on paper would have smashed the Geforce 1, turned out the hardware was broken and TnL only later was supported.... via software emulation, with rest of the gankyness
This is an interesting take, several people have stated that Jim released the address, but I haven’t seen them respond to this?
I enjoyed th video for what it’s worth, and there’s plenty of people, especially younger builders, who wouldn’t have known the info.
Where did I say something bad about ATI/NV drvers they been OK most of time..
Have you had S3 or Intel card ??
They went in to Mobile GPU market Apple uses them if I remember.
Update yess PowerVR got absorbed or something by apple
I think I had all S3 cards they ever made. Always something was not right but they worked Usually
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Didnt need a graph from Microsoft to tell me that nvidias Vista drivers sucked, it was dam obvious at the time.
AMD have actually got some of the best drivers if looked at over the years.
AMD have actually got some of the best drivers if looked at over the years.
Just a few aspects added to KillBoY_UK
DX12/Vulkan: Nothing for the benefit of all gamers, they needed a new api, so designed mantle. But Mantle alone would've been dead, so they gave their work to MS/Khronos to have a major influence on the new api, because this helps them with optimization on their architecture. Pure business sense.
Gameworks/PhysX: here i'm with you. Nvidia should've opened the code earlier and sometimes the effects are just **** for the performance they need. But at least most of the code nowadays is open and actually i like the idea of amd and nvidia pushing devs to add more eyecandy, because it's pretty boring to just have console graphics everywhere.
CUDA: ATI was the first one developing an closed API, ATI Stream, which they never intended to open. Just because they failed, amd changed to an open approach.
Degrading performance on older cards: That's about the same urban myth as AMDs bad drivers. No one could ever show that really happened. It's really just 2 things, 1st amd had more RAM, 2nd amd has gotten more teraflops in the same class and they got both consoles, so the engine load changed to more shader dependency.
They all just want your money and nothing else. Depending on what helps them most, they adjust their tactics. They don't care for morals or whatever.
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That's why we get Adored vids 'talking rubbish' about Nvidia because he's 'biased', 'doesn't like Nvidia', ~'got a grating Scottish accent' aye?
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↑That's Nvidia saying they are FIXING Kepler performance↑
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My 670 Kepler got hobbled when Maxwell came out in 'certain' titles, no surprises the lynch mob appeared in here and I got flamed for daring to air it on here at the time.
https://forums.geforce.com/default/...as-performance-in-the-witcher-3-wild-hunt-/1/
115 page Kepler performance thread @Nv forum
I do think nvidia don't support older hardware as good as AMD. The 780Ti was faster than the 970 at launch iirc and later the 970 beca,e faster than it. Now the R9 290X competes with the 980 in performance in games whilst previously R9 290x and 970 used to be pretty much on par.
Yeah, they needed to fix performance, like we often see driver fixes. Probably they also needed to put in more effort for some kepler optimizations especially for this game, as they mostly only optimized for maxwell at that time. But that's nothing special. Same happened for amd on older architectures:
https://www.computerbase.de/2012-03/test-amd-radeon-hd-7870-und-hd-7850/5/
7870 vs 6870 at release 2012 has a 7870 40% faster than 6870 and 6870 is 40% faster than 7770.
2013 in some games:
http://gamegpu.com/action-/-fps-/-tps/bioshock-infinite-test-gpu.html
7770 nearly on the same level as the 6870, 7870 now 75% faster.
And nowadays:
https://www.computerbase.de/2017-01...ch/2/#abschnitt_testsystem_und_testergebnisse
This happens with old architectures. The difference is always getting bigger over time. If the difference between amd architectures gets bigger over time, it's because of fine-wine and driver optimization? But if the same happens with nvidia, it's driver performance degradation by drivers.
Way to go with the Nv/AMD comparison and fine wine rubbish, I'm not running AMD and haven't been for years and the likelihood of going AMD again is slim to remote but I'm talking about Nv and was commenting on Kepler performance tanking which you said was a 'myth', W3 released 8 months after Maxwell arrived, Nv had plenty time to 'fix' Kepler performance as much as Maxwell-considering it's a partner title and was tried and tested on every supported architecture, Nv isn't a two bit company they know how to run a business very very efficiently, if they only fixed W3 then I wouldn't have mentioned anything but it wasn't just W3 it was a whole load of Kepler titles that performance was addressed after the community kicked up a fuss.
The 290X was always on a par with the 980 and even marginally better @2160p in crossfire v 980 SLI setups.
On the other hand the 980 was a tiny bit better at 1080p.