Nissan Leaf
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BBC News Business page. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44575399
Pretty much all that was said in old Top Gear. Too long to charge and poor range.
Andi.
Pretty much all that was said in old Top Gear. Too long to charge and poor range.
Andi.
It's Mr & Mrs J Blogs that needs to be informed though and this is now taking place.We kinda all knew about this years ago. EV range is never anywhere near the menufacturer's claims, a bit like MPG
Andi.
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We kinda all knew about this years ago. EV range is never anywhere near the menufacturer's claims, a bit like MPG
100% this. We've got a 2015 leaf but we researched it properly first rather than relying on what the manufacturer said.
This is old news, and was doing the rounds when it first launched.
The rapid charging issue is due to the battery not having a built in thermal control/cooling unit.
The claims about the range are down to the stupid NEDC test, which was in place when this model launched, now replaced with the significantly more realistic WLTP test.
List your cars official MPG figure, then tell us what you really achieve.
The rapid charging issue is due to the battery not having a built in thermal control/cooling unit.
The claims about the range are down to the stupid NEDC test, which was in place when this model launched, now replaced with the significantly more realistic WLTP test.
List your cars official MPG figure, then tell us what you really achieve.
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Must publish figures to test standards for it to be legal, test isn’t real life, manufacturers are lying about THEIR claims....
Nope.
PS. Thread title is pap. Lacks context, let alone clarity.
Nope.
PS. Thread title is pap. Lacks context, let alone clarity.
Old guy buys specific EV for the purpose of driving extended range but is shocked when he can’t achieve that range.
Old person in doing sod all reseach and trusting a sales team before making expensive purchase shocker!
Old person in doing sod all reseach and trusting a sales team before making expensive purchase shocker!
NEDC ranges were always optimistic, which is why EPA ranges basically became the de facto range for anyone comparing EV vehicles, and whether they would do the required ranges. It’s not really the manufacturers fault, rather the testing regime, but it’s a shame for those that trusted the NEDC figures.
Hopefully as the EVs are becoming more mainstream the move to WLTP will reduce this issue.
Hopefully as the EVs are becoming more mainstream the move to WLTP will reduce this issue.
#rapidgate has been a thing for at least 3 months but yeh I can see how normal consumers wouldn’t be aware of it. I do think Nissan has dropped the ball with not having active cooling on the Leaf, they have it on the Van so it’s not a technical issue. The old Leaf is better over a long distance but that being said you wouldn’t see me taking a Leaf almost 400 miles.
Most people also don’t realise that over those sort of distances you are better off only charging to 60% and stopping more often. The charge rate drops off above this on these cars with small batteries above this but most sit there and charge to 80-90%.
I can see where people have issues with NEDC but it’s very common knowledge this is completely unrealistic. The problem is even WLTP is also still very optimistic and you won’t get anything close to it if you go anywhere near a fast road.
Most people also don’t realise that over those sort of distances you are better off only charging to 60% and stopping more often. The charge rate drops off above this on these cars with small batteries above this but most sit there and charge to 80-90%.
I can see where people have issues with NEDC but it’s very common knowledge this is completely unrealistic. The problem is even WLTP is also still very optimistic and you won’t get anything close to it if you go anywhere near a fast road.
Not sure what's more shocking, i.e.
- Claims from the manufacturers
- Stupidity of the people complaining, because they were too dumb to research the actual capabilities of the car prior to purchase
- That the press bothered to write something so completely pointless
- Claims from the manufacturers
- Stupidity of the people complaining, because they were too dumb to research the actual capabilities of the car prior to purchase
- That the press bothered to write something so completely pointless
Well the rapidgate thing isn’t that well publised and I think this is the first time it’s made it to the main stream media. It’s also not clearly said on the cars website.
How often do you read the cars manual before you have purchased it? Never. A sales person is also never going to tell you that unless you ask directly and every other EV you can chain rapid changes without issue.
The mileage claim is standard practice and due to the test they have to put them through. You can get that range if you drive at a constant low speed on flat ground without stopping as with normal MPG tests but they are just unrealistic.
How often do you read the cars manual before you have purchased it? Never. A sales person is also never going to tell you that unless you ask directly and every other EV you can chain rapid changes without issue.
The mileage claim is standard practice and due to the test they have to put them through. You can get that range if you drive at a constant low speed on flat ground without stopping as with normal MPG tests but they are just unrealistic.
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Some of the comments in this thread are nuts. I have to assume people don't understand the situation properly.
It goes like this...
You go shopping for an EV.
You ask the Nissan sales guy about charging.
The Nissan sales guy says you can charge in 30 mins at a service station.
You buy the car.
You go on a long trip.
You find that after a couple of charges it takes massively longer than 30 mins to charge
You were mis-sold.
It goes like this...
You go shopping for an EV.
You ask the Nissan sales guy about charging.
The Nissan sales guy says you can charge in 30 mins at a service station.
You buy the car.
You go on a long trip.
You find that after a couple of charges it takes massively longer than 30 mins to charge
You were mis-sold.
I don't think anyone is arguing about the charging problem being a misrepresentation. The range on the other hand, as if anyone ever took published range/consumption figures for ANY fueled vehicle as gospel. You NEVER get the quoted range/consumption.
Surely unless you’d specifically asked about the car’s ability to quick charge multiple times back-to-back, you’ve not been mis-sold as the salesman hasn’t technically lied?