Ryzen "2" ?

[chroniclard]

Ah, they're nice boosts. The 1.5v+ Core Voltages are a bit alarming, but as you say, I've seen mine spike to that level. Are they regularly that high, or are those just spikes?

Can you set a negative offset with that at all, or is that the limit of volts/stability?

And no problems with PCIe or USB devices or drives at 103.4 bclk?

Those are just spikes. Thats with a very small negative offset. I need to play around with my settings, LLC etc and the offset to see if I can reduce it a bit as I just updated the bios to a new version and most things are on auto.

I have not had any issues with any devices so far, though I only have USB sound card, pci e wifi and the usual usb peripherals.

 

[strumpusplunket]

That board's a total lottery from what I can see. Some people have no problems, others cannot make them work properly. Mine loved to overvolt the CPU at any hint of an OC (1.575v!) and very nearly bricked itself after a bios flash. Also no heatsink on the SOC VRMs! What the heck is that about? Would not want to put an APU in it...

Yeah, that's not ideal at all. It's been fine with the lowish loads my lad's activity is putting on the iGPU, but I can imagine people wanting to try to get more demanding graphics performance having problems. Fingers crossed, but all's well with mine so far

Those are just spikes. Thats with a very small negative offset. I need to play around with my settings, LLC etc and the offset to see if I can reduce it a bit as I just updated the bios to a new version and most things are on auto.

I have not had any issues with any devices so far, though I only have USB sound card, pci e wifi and the usual usb peripherals.

Well, that's useful info! When I get around to installing some better cooling I might have a play around with "APU"/bclk frequency as well.

Cheers!

 

[chroniclard]

I keep switching between all core overclock and this bclk clock, just for the hell of it. Not really sure if the boost is actually worthwhile in my case as all the games I have tried, granted only 3 or 4, just use all cores, I have no single core games at the moment.

So an all core clock of 4.25 may be better than being able to boost to 4.45ish.

 

[strumpusplunket]

I keep switching between all core overclock and this bclk clock, just for the hell of it. Not really sure if the boost is actually worthwhile in my case as all the games I have tried, granted only 3 or 4, just use all cores, I have no single core games at the moment.

So an all core clock of 4.25 may be better than being able to boost to 4.45ish.

Yeah, I was surprised to see an old game like Quantum Break using all 12 threads. The thing that's been steering me away from a fixed by all-core OC, though, is that doesn't that stop the CPU clocking down at idle? Or have I misunderstood things there?

 

[eddiew]

That's a pity - the TUF series used to be great. But now it's just another generic "gaming" series at the low end.

They're not even generic, they're outright pants now Low durability capacitors, low phase counts, high resistance mosfets... some of them won't push much more than 100amps to the CPU. TUF is the exact opposite of Tough.

 

[G550]

I keep switching between all core overclock and this bclk clock, just for the hell of it. Not really sure if the boost is actually worthwhile in my case as all the games I have tried, granted only 3 or 4, just use all cores, I have no single core games at the moment.

So an all core clock of 4.25 may be better than being able to boost to 4.45ish.

Thats the thing, yes the peak clock may be 4.25/4.35/4.45 depending on the processor and BCLK, but what it is actually doing at the peak and how long it is holding that level?
From what I can see almost any load is enough to make it drop off that peak figure. The voltage required to achieve it and ensure stability is quite high, even without exceeding AMD specs/enabling PBO.

My 2600X is at a semi-fixed 4.2 at 1.3625V at the moment (c-states drops it back down under low load). Had been running 4.25 for a couple of weeks at the same voltage until it blue-screened and I pulled it back a little.
Prefer the voltage behaviour this way to that of XFR. Full load voltage is just over 1.3V and never goes above 1.362V.

 

[eddiew]

Mine 1600X is at a semi-fixed 4.2 at 1.3625V at the moment (c-states drops it back down under low load). Had been running 4.25 for a couple of weeks at the same voltage until it blue-screened and I pulled it back a little.
Prefer the voltage behaviour this way to that of XFR. Full load voltage is just over 1.3V and never goes above 1.362V.

To be fair, you have a serious golden chip right there. Most people can't get past 4.0 on a first gen, many don't get over 3.9 @ 1.4v.

And yeah, XFR pushes scary volts... Never liked that, hard to believe it isn't a problem for longevity.

 

[G550]

To be fair, you have a serious golden chip right there. Most people can't get past 4.0 on a first gen, many don't get over 3.9 @ 1.4v.

And yeah, XFR pushes scary volts... Never liked that, hard to believe it isn't a problem for longevity.

Apologies, typo on my part. Its a 2600X
I don't recall seeing any first gens above 4.1ish without electromigration inducing voltages.

 

[chroniclard]

Yeah, I was surprised to see an old game like Quantum Break using all 12 threads. The thing that's been steering me away from a fixed by all-core OC, though, is that doesn't that stop the CPU clocking down at idle? Or have I misunderstood things there?

It still downclocks at idle, however the voltage stays the same. So my 1.381 @ 4225, downclocks to 2000 but voltages stays the same. Would assume if you did P-State overclock it would downvolt too. I have not really tried Pstate though and not sure its even necessary.

Going to reset it all again soon and try again for 3466 memory, so will probably go back to an all core clock.

 

[ED209]

Ah okay. My lad's only tried Fortnite and Flash games so far. I might try Minecraft on his PC to see what happens.

(Oh, I guess it's relevant to ask which BIOS version you're running too?)

Latest version which is F23D, had to get a boot kit from AMD to get the bios up to date first

 

[Rroff]

Yeah, I was surprised to see an old game like Quantum Break using all 12 threads. The thing that's been steering me away from a fixed by all-core OC, though, is that doesn't that stop the CPU clocking down at idle? Or have I misunderstood things there?

IIRC the game engine used for Quantum Break behaves a bit like the Glacier engine used for Hitman and 1-2 other games including Deus Ex: MD - they basically just despatch threads for any and everything regardless of whether its actually benefiting from being threaded or not - tends to result in games that feel a bit sluggish especially at higher framerates and sometimes low level stutter.

 

[Illuminist]

I get 4.2 all cores on my 2700x at 1.275 and 4.3 is 1.397, but reaches 75.c so I keep it at 4.2 for now at just over 60.c full load

 

[strumpusplunket]

It still downclocks at idle, however the voltage stays the same. So my 1.381 @ 4225, downclocks to 2000 but voltages stays the same. Would assume if you did P-State overclock it would downvolt too. I have not really tried Pstate though and not sure its even necessary.

Going to reset it all again soon and try again for 3466 memory, so will probably go back to an all core clock.

Ah, yeah, I'd definitely want it to lower the voltage at idle as well. Does anyone know if enabling p-states does this, and does it affect achievable clocks/stability?

Latest version which is F23D, had to get a boot kit from AMD to get the bios up to date first

That will be the same as mine, then. I'll try to find time to install Minecraft on it over the weekend to test.

IIRC the game engine used for Quantum Break behaves a bit like the Glacier engine used for Hitman and 1-2 other games including Deus Ex: MD - they basically just despatch threads for any and everything regardless of whether its actually benefiting from being threaded or not - tends to result in games that feel a bit sluggish especially at higher framerates and sometimes low level stutter.

Right. I did think it was a bit odd as it doesn't look particularly demanding. It is one of those games with a sluggish feel, but I'd just put that down to it being locked at 60fps. It feels like a few console ports that just have a slow character and slightly clunky movement. The Evil Within felt like this (even apart from its tendency to run like a dog in other ways...) too. At least the low-level stutter seems to have improved from my 2500k. Guess if it was just throwing threading around willy-nilly that would overwhelm a quad-core with no HT?

I get 4.2 all cores on my 2700x at 1.275 and 4.3 is 1.397, but reaches 75.c so I keep it at 4.2 for now at just over 60.c full load

Which cooler are you using?

Big voltage jump to go from 4.2 to 4.3! Is there a sudden wall at some mid-point between those two values? (Is 4.25 okay, for instance?)

 

[ED209]

That will be the same as mine, then. I'll try to find time to install Minecraft on it over the weekend to test.

If you could that would be great, Its intermittent so doesn't always happen but the only settings I change in Minecraft is from window mode to full screen. Whem it green screens you can press the Windows key to go back to desktop and load it back up and it will be fine for a bit or you can disconnect the HDMI cable and plug it back in.

My son normally plays on the Hy pixel server.

I did have a 9500 on loan from AMD which had RX 5 graphics which I didnt have the issue with so its driver or GPU related on the 2200G, I also done a RMA for the 2200G as well as I thought this was faulty.

Only thing that could be different to me is the ram, I got this

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/team...l-channel-kit-grey-tlgd48g3000-my-09q-tg.html

 

[Illuminist]

Which cooler are you using?

Big voltage jump to go from 4.2 to 4.3! Is there a sudden wall at some mid-point between those two values? (Is 4.25 okay, for instance?)

Im using a 240 AIO kinda middle priced one the
ID-Cooling Frostflow+ 240 Snow Edition

Yeah its a massive jump in volts to get to 4.3mhz , i can run 4.25 at 1.325 i think it was.

The reason also its running at 75.C is that it's 30.c outside also in the UK which isn't helping us gamers.

 

[Illuminist]

If you could that would be great, Its intermittent so doesn't always happen but the only settings I change in Minecraft is from window mode to full screen. Whem it green screens you can press the Windows key to go back to desktop and load it back up and it will be fine for a bit or you can disconnect the HDMI cable and plug it back in.

My son normally plays on the Hy pixel server.

I did have a 9500 on loan from AMD which had RX 5 graphics which I didnt have the issue with so its driver or GPU related on the 2200G, I also done a RMA for the 2200G as well as I thought this was faulty.

Only thing that could be different to me is the ram, I got this

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/team...l-channel-kit-grey-tlgd48g3000-my-09q-tg.html

I have that ram, it sux, it will only run at 2800 / 2866 for me on a 2700x, nothing i can do to make it work.
Even though in Thaiphoon and ramchecker it says its b-die samsung it's still cl16 and just wont do its job properly.

 

[chroniclard]

I get 4.2 all cores on my 2700x at 1.275 and 4.3 is 1.397, but reaches 75.c so I keep it at 4.2 for now at just over 60.c full load

you set 1.275v in bios and it runs at 4.2!?

Mine takes 1.381 to get 4.2 IBT AVX stable.

 

[ED209]

I have that ram, it sux, it will only run at 2800 / 2866 for me on a 2700x, nothing i can do to make it work.
Even though in Thaiphoon and ramchecker it says its b-die samsung it's still cl16 and just wont do its job properly.

I have enabled XMP on mine and I have no issues running it at 3000mhz with my 2200G when the 9500 was being used it would not go over 2400mhz but thats because of the cpu max speed was 2400mhz

 

[Illuminist]

you set 1.275v in bios and it runs at 4.2!?

Mine takes 1.381 to get 4.2 IBT AVX stable.

I do indeed

 

[Illuminist]

I have enabled XMP on mine and I have no issues running it at 3000mhz with my 2200G when the 9500 was being used it would not go over 2400mhz but thats because of the cpu max speed was 2400mhz

What I really need is someone with a bit more indepth knowledge of what to tweak in the motherboard to get it to run at higher speeds, i tried the ram calculator that everyone talk about, but it confuses the hell outta me.

Anyone fancy helping me at least trying the good things to get this ram going?