Thai cave rescue - One of the divers has died
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I was wondering if there would be any facility to widen some of the narrow areas with breakers. But I suppose they can’t risk rock falls blocking the route and it would only be feasible for removing very very short length narrowing. Assuming there is a tool capable.
Gotta love the ignorance though, liked the comment earlier about having powerful torches for the poor vis
About 1km below ground level
Drilling is possible but they first need to make a road to the site then would need to be in exactly the right place, something that doesn’t take a few hours on the back of fag packets
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There isn't a best solution to this, it's a crap crap situation.
Kids can't swim, well that sucks, but they gonna learn that pretty fast, never the less, it's irreverent, the navy drivers will just pull and push them out and from my understanding from reading about it, it's not really swimming anyway, since the tunnel system is small, they just "swim crawling" through the tunnel, I guess that' show you describe it? Using your hands and arms against the tunnel sides to swim through.
There isn't many solutions to this.
1. Leave them inside for 4 months?
Runs the risk of more people dying bringing them food, water oxygen, whatever else for 13 people, how much food, water and supplies do you think each driver can bring them to survive?
Rain season is coming, that could flood more of the cave and drown them, I doubt the pumps can pump out water faster then mother nature during the rain season.
Any part of the tunnel can collapse, blocking access to the 13.
Oxygen levels in their part of the cave are dropping.
With no safe place to go to the toilet, the danger of disease will keep rising, where is it going now?
2. Providing pipes and cables to provide them water and power.
That doesn't really change anything said in 1.
3. Dig down to them?
Too far and risk danger of collapse.
This isn't Thunderbirds, drilling through 1 mile of mountain right on top of the small cave they are hiding inside sounds batcrap insane.
Really, there is no other solution other then to get them in driver suits and get them out, the rescue effort themselves have said the same thing, give them some limited training and get them out.
Kids can't swim, well that sucks, but they gonna learn that pretty fast, never the less, it's irreverent, the navy drivers will just pull and push them out and from my understanding from reading about it, it's not really swimming anyway, since the tunnel system is small, they just "swim crawling" through the tunnel, I guess that' show you describe it? Using your hands and arms against the tunnel sides to swim through.
There isn't many solutions to this.
1. Leave them inside for 4 months?
Runs the risk of more people dying bringing them food, water oxygen, whatever else for 13 people, how much food, water and supplies do you think each driver can bring them to survive?
Rain season is coming, that could flood more of the cave and drown them, I doubt the pumps can pump out water faster then mother nature during the rain season.
Any part of the tunnel can collapse, blocking access to the 13.
Oxygen levels in their part of the cave are dropping.
With no safe place to go to the toilet, the danger of disease will keep rising, where is it going now?
2. Providing pipes and cables to provide them water and power.
That doesn't really change anything said in 1.
3. Dig down to them?
Too far and risk danger of collapse.
This isn't Thunderbirds, drilling through 1 mile of mountain right on top of the small cave they are hiding inside sounds batcrap insane.
Really, there is no other solution other then to get them in driver suits and get them out, the rescue effort themselves have said the same thing, give them some limited training and get them out.
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No.
The world's strongest heavy-lift helicopter is the Russian MIL MI-26. It has a maximum lifting capacity of 56 tons. A small boring machine with a diameter of 2.2 metres weighs ~70 tons. Vertical drilling equipment presents similar challenges.
Yep.Gotta love the ignorance though, liked the comment earlier about having powerful torches for the poor vis
Just watched the 6 O’clock news.
They’re saying ‘the last part’ of the journey takes six hours and requires six cylinders per diver. So not only do they have all the other stuff to contend with, they have to switch cylinders while they’re down there.
That’s difficult in a swimming pool, never mind under those cave conditions.
OK, now you're clearly trolling.
There is no equipment for this kind of situation. The choices are get them to dive out or drill a hole to them.
Their best bet would to have been to begin a drilling operation straight away and see how far they can get. At the same time as other plans are in motion.
Their best bet would to have been to begin a drilling operation straight away and see how far they can get. At the same time as other plans are in motion.
I really don’t think anyone here has a blood lust, nor is anyone saying that leaving them there for four months is the best solution.
We’re just saying that it’s not as simple as handing them some scuba equipment and getting the rescue team to push and pull them through the caves.
IIRC the shortest length to them was something like 800m.
For illustration these are the kind of conditions (in the easy bit) they are working with:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRERqBkIJ9I
And this is what they have to work with to drill down to them:
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I never said it was simple, but from what I seen, it's seems the best solution.
And they seem to agree, the rescue drivers are teaching them right now.
I never said it was simple, but from what I seen, it's seems the best solution.
And they seem to agree, the rescue drivers are teaching them right now.
Probably getting them at least some experience as a precaution
It would take a brave person to take one of those kids through the caves
The calibre of reporting is quite poor tbh with comments such as
"use diving flippers, known as fins."
No, they are called fins , but a lot of people unfamiliar with diving refer to them as flippers
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They already brave.