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Geforce GTX30xx series 7nm speculation thread...

Panos said:
Actually, Turing was designed for Samsung's 10nm process, so I bet next year the 21xx series going to be at that and not 7nm.
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More complete nonsense form you . The reason Nvidia used the TSMC 12nm process was precisely because they decided the Samsung 10nm process wasn't appropriate.

TSMC have publicly stated Nvidia is a major customer for their 7nm node.

Is it ever going to be possible for you to say anything remotely accurate about Nvidia?
 
mikedigitales said:
Not meaning to use the B word, but if the European thing keep heading the way it is I do wonder what the pound will be worth in 6 months time. In some ways paying for a new card now might not be the worst decision, the 30xx card might end up being silly money.
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It will slip below the dollar unless thee is a a complete U-turn.
 
Paladine said:
1k barrier was breached a long time ago with Titan cards.
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Yup, and everyone bought them in droves, as they will be the 20s, just ignore the 'they're too expensive' etc... posts, as they are buying them, money is no object, when it comes to Nvidia, everyone knows that.
 
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LoadsaMoney said:
Yup, and everyone bought them in droves, as they will be the 20s, just ignore the 'they're too expensive' etc... posts, as they are buying them, money is no object, when it comes to Nvidia, everyone knows that.
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When are you dumping your Vega and ordering a 2080Ti in SLI? :p;)

Just one look at the 2080/Ti owners threads and you can see relative to the pascal owners threads it is barren. Lol.
 
TNA said:
Just one look at the 2080/Ti owners threads and you can see relative to the pascal owners threads it is barren. Lol.
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Thats only because they're all on pre-orer, as they are in short supply, theres hundeds waiting, its going to be months before they get them.
 
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LoadsaMoney said:
Thats only because they're all on pre-orer, as they are in short supply, theres hundeds waiting, its going to be months before they get them.
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Just had a quick look. Plenty 2080 stock everywhere. Only the 2080Ti’s that are on pre-order.
 
Yeah the 1080Ti is cheaper than the 2080, for around the same/better performance, so its a no brainer that, but the Ti can't be touched, so every man and his dog will be buying it, anyone who pre-orders now, will be that far down the queue, they'll be lucky to get it this side of Christmas.
 
LoadsaMoney said:
Yeah the 1080Ti is cheaper than the 2080, for around the same/better performance, so its a no brainer that, but the Ti can't be touched, so every man and his dog will be buying it, anyone who pre-orders now, will be that far down the queue, they'll be lucky to get it this side of Christmas.
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So you buying one then? ;)
 
D.P. said:
The reason Nvidia used the TSMC 12nm process was precisely because they decided the Samsung 10nm process wasn't appropriate.
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I'd rather believe Nvidia was looking for a decent node shrink that didn't work out, rather than designing such a small performance increase. Money spent on a proper node jump that failed would help support the asking price of the RTX series. As you say yourself, the 10nm process wasn't appropriate, it's just a question of when they found that out. If they had intended on the 12nm node from the start, why don't we have 500+ DLSS supported titles already? Something delayed what appears to be a rushed to market product.
 
LoadsaMoney said:
Yeah the 1080Ti is cheaper than the 2080, for around the same/better performance,
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From all the reviews I've seen the 1080ti isn't better. 2080 is slightly ahead in most titles. it might be behind in a few games only because the drivers are very new yet. The 1080ti has had 2 years to mature drivers. 20 series just came out.
 
Wrinkly said:
I'd rather believe Nvidia was looking for a decent node shrink that didn't work out, rather than designing such a small performance increase. Money spent on a proper node jump that failed would help support the asking price of the RTX series. As you say yourself, the 10nm process wasn't appropriate, it's just a question of when they found that out. If they had intended on the 12nm node from the start, why don't we have 500+ DLSS supported titles already? Something delayed what appears to be a rushed to market product.
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We don;t have 500+ DLSS titles because it would have involved developing the hardware and sending it to game developers under NDA a year ago while not releasing a GPU they have sitting in a warehouse.

Finding out the 10nm process is not up to scratch and then redesigning for 12nm is a lot of work, hence the delay. There was also the issue of supple and demand during the mining boom. There wasn't enough supply, and switching to Turing earlier would mean even less supply initially. This would be bad for Nvidia reputation and would cost a lot of sales.
 
Simon Belmont said:
From all the reviews I've seen the 1080ti isn't better. 2080 is slightly ahead in most titles. it might be behind in a few games only because the drivers are very new yet. The 1080ti has had 2 years to mature drivers. 20 series just came out.
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yeah, if you are buying new the 2080 is a no brainier, assuming you are upgrading form maxwell or maybe a 1060. The 1080ti only makes sense second hand as a hold out until 7nm GPUs.

The 2080ti, while insanely expensive, can also be seen as a far cheaper TitanV. Thus there is a market for such a card.
 
Simon Belmont said:
From all the reviews I've seen the 1080ti isn't better. 2080 is slightly ahead in most titles. it might be behind in a few games only because the drivers are very new yet. The 1080ti has had 2 years to mature drivers. 20 series just came out.
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one reviewer tested 35 games, and was 50/50 split, the other reviewers I am guessing picked games favouring a positive result for the 2080.

I accept the 2080 is a slightly better card probably overall, but the price difference makes it by far the worse buy.
 
D.P. said:
We don;t have 500+ DLSS titles because it would have involved developing the hardware and sending it to game developers under NDA a year ago while not releasing a GPU they have sitting in a warehouse.
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You don't need an RTX card to add DLSS to your application. An NDA on a new form of super sampling that you add to an application via Gameworks like libraries, which you don't get to see the final results of until launch, would not be difficult. Indeed, it would have helped sell the new cards, and also some mediocre games.

D.P. said:
Finding out the 10nm process is not up to scratch and then redesigning for 12nm is a lot of work, hence the delay.
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Delay and cost. Something went wrong, adding a rather hefty cost.

D.P. said:
There was also the issue of supple and demand during the mining boom. There wasn't enough supply, and switching to Turing earlier would mean even less supply initially. This would be bad for Nvidia reputation and would cost a lot of sales.
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I agree mining confused things, but this master plan of delay has not done Nvidia any favours, indeed the opposite. Besides, Turing has not found a spot in mining yet?
 
People will simply keep their cards longer. Yes some will still buy on release, but if this price is the norm I really cant see people changing too often.
 
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