Ford to refund 'engine fail' EcoBoost customers

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I never heard about there being problems with the ford 1.0L & 1.6L ecoboost engines before reading this..

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-45628325
Ford has offered to refund thousands of pounds to customers whose engines have failed, following a BBC investigation.

Hundreds of customers have said their cars with Ford EcoBoost engines have overheated, causing engine failure.
EDIT: BBC Video added 14-10-18
 
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so did you research the nitty gritty ? the bbc stuff just says

It said it was contacting customers affected by the overheating problem to arrange for a coolant sensor to be fitted.

...it's a bit superficial - might as well put a smoke detector under the bonnet
 
so did you research the nitty gritty ? the bbc stuff just says



...it's a bit superficial - might as well put a smoke detector under the bonnet
But fitting a new coolant sensor not going stop an engine over heating problem...

Unless this coolant sensor is making the ECU limit the engine power or rpm's or lowing the turbo boost pressure or adjusting the engine timing when the engine gets to a set temperature
 
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exactly -- ok I searched - bbc not done its job again (too busy flying helicopters)

Concern : THE ENGINE CYLINDER HEAD MAY CRACK

Description : Localized overheating of the engine cylinder head may cause the cylinder head to crack.This may cause a pressurized oil leak which in extreme circumstances could result in a fire in the engine compartment.

Remedial Action : On affected vehicles Inspect engine and cooling system. Replace affected components and fit a Coolant Level Sensor along with associated software to provide an audible and visual warning to the driver.

So the recall is not for fire, it is the faulty design that means when low coolant events occur there is no warning and the engine cracks, leading to loss of power at speed and a very expensive repair.

DANGER WILL ROBINSON - CORE MELTDOWN ?
 
But fitting a new coolant sensor not going stop an engine over heating problem...

Unless this coolant sensor is making the ECU limit the engine power or rpm's or lowing the turbo boost pressure or adjusting the engine timing when the engine gets to a set temperature

My understanding was that the block or head may crack if overheated. This allowed rapid coolant loss and then the above mentioned oil fire.

I think this was on watchdog.
 
I found it amusing that people were still driving around in cars that were suffering with rapid coolant loss or with the fan running at full speed and then wondering why further damage happened - the coolant temp indicator would have been showing the engine was running too hot. Yes Ford messed up on the design of some hoses and clips but one woman had warnings to stop the car and she continued to drive into a busy trading estate where her car caught fire... children could have been hurt apparently, just why won't people think about the children!

The recall was more than fitting a sensor so the BBC showing their usual levels of research. There's a few new hoses, clips and expansion tank fitted.
 
I found it amusing that people were still driving around in cars that were suffering with rapid coolant loss or with the fan running at full speed and then wondering why further damage happened - the coolant temp indicator would have been showing the engine was running too hot. Yes Ford messed up on the design of some hoses and clips but one woman had warnings to stop the car and she continued to drive into a busy trading estate where her car caught fire... children could have been hurt apparently, just why won't people think about the children!

The recall was more than fitting a sensor so the BBC showing their usual levels of research. There's a few new hoses, clips and expansion tank fitted.

Pretty much this. Yes this is on Ford regarding the poor design but drivers were given warnings by the car prior to catastrophic failures, warnings that went ignored.

The problem these days is we have people who drive round oblivious to their responsibility to care for their vehicle. Many drivers these days have never lifted a bonnet or not since their driving lessons. They don't regularly check fluids levels/tyre pressures etc.
A friend of mine runs his own little garage and and a driver came in complaining that the washer jets had stopped working and there was a strange orange warning light on the dash.

Yep, you've guessed it. Washer fluid was empty and the strange warning light was the empty washer fluid symbol.

For me it's my Sunday morning ritual. Get up, breakfast, car gets checked. It's once a week and 9 times out of ten done in 5 minutes. A little longer if the washer fluid needs topping up (4 litre bottle, 1 jug and epic low water pressure)
 
I found it amusing that people were still driving around in cars that were suffering with rapid coolant loss or with the fan running at full speed and then wondering why further damage happened - the coolant temp indicator would have been showing the engine was running too hot. Yes Ford messed up on the design of some hoses and clips but one woman had warnings to stop the car and she continued to drive into a busy trading estate where her car caught fire... children could have been hurt apparently, just why won't people think about the children!

The recall was more than fitting a sensor so the BBC showing their usual levels of research. There's a few new hoses, clips and expansion tank fitted.

Coolant temperature in itself isn't that serious, many cars overheat in the summer in traffic. What was a problem was that there was no coolant level sensor on the car so you had no idea your car had boiled all it's coolant away in the event of, say, a water pump failure or cracked hose. There was no warning whatsoever that the coolant had leaked or was low, neither on the dash or on the info screen. I know this because my car has been in for the recall work a couple of weeks ago.
 
Coolant temperature in itself isn't that serious, many cars overheat in the summer in traffic. What was a problem was that there was no coolant level sensor on the car so you had no idea your car had boiled all it's coolant away in the event of, say, a water pump failure or cracked hose. There was no warning whatsoever that the coolant had leaked or was low, neither on the dash or on the info screen. I know this because my car has been in for the recall work a couple of weeks ago.

Temperature is serious as that's what causes the head to crack, if the car has it's engine fan running all the time even when not in traffic and not on a scorching hot day and the car has a dashboard lit up with warning lights do you continue to drive? Same with all the basic checks nobody bothers the carry out any more. I can't think of many cars that do have a coolant level sensor, I could be wrong.
 
They should have just stuck with the bombproof 1.6 zetec engine they used in the mk1 and 2. Totally puts me off buying a mk3/3.5 Focus because they are nearly all 1.0 ecoboosts. There’s a massive thread on ph with engine and turbo failures and multiple re calls but still experiencing coolant loss.
Look at how many 12+yr old Focus’s you still see for sale with high mileage still running like clockwork. I just can’t see the ecoboost engines being the same.
 
They should have just stuck with the bombproof 1.6 zetec engine they used in the mk1 and 2. Totally puts me off buying a mk3/3.5 Focus because they are nearly all 1.0 ecoboosts. There’s a massive thread on ph with engine and turbo failures and multiple re calls but still experiencing coolant loss.
Look at how many 12+yr old Focus’s you still see for sale with high mileage still running like clockwork. I just can’t see the ecoboost engines being the same.
My 1.6 Ecoboost has had the recall work done recently and hasn't missed a beat in 2 years.
It's terrible, no Ecoboost engine will do that sort of mileage! Except they will. There are a few on Autotrader with over 100k including this one.
 
Temperature is serious as that's what causes the head to crack, if the car has it's engine fan running all the time even when not in traffic and not on a scorching hot day and the car has a dashboard lit up with warning lights do you continue to drive? Same with all the basic checks nobody bothers the carry out any more. I can't think of many cars that do have a coolant level sensor, I could be wrong.

From what I read the only indication that something was wrong was the temperature gauge, there was no audible warning or on-screen message.
 
My 1.6 Ecoboost has had the recall work done recently and hasn't missed a beat in 2 years.
It's terrible, no Ecoboost engine will do that sort of mileage! Except they will. There are a few on Autotrader with over 100k including this one.
Oh wow well done for finding a few 5yr old examples on AT :p that’s not the same as seeing thousands of 10-18 year old examples still running around without any problems. If you read my post properly i didn’t say ecoboost engines won’t reach that mileage I said i just can’t see there being a big number of them around in 10yrs time or hitting big mileage and still going strong like the 1.6 did in the mk1/2. You seem to take offence whenever I diss the ecoboost engines even in the past but I have owned 6 Fords in my 7 years of driving I love them but I wouldn’t buy a 1.0 ecoboost.
 
Oh wow well done for finding a few 5yr old examples on AT :p that’s not the same as seeing thousands of 10-18 year old examples still running around without any problems. If you read my post properly i didn’t say ecoboost engines won’t reach that mileage I said i just can’t see there being a big number of them around in 10yrs time or hitting big mileage and still going strong like the 1.6 did in the mk1/2. You seem to take offence whenever I diss the ecoboost engines even in the past but I have owned 6 Fords in my 7 years of driving I love them but I wouldn’t buy a 1.0 ecoboost.
It's going to be difficult to find any 100k+ mile examples because they've only been available for five years. 20k miles per annum is a good amount above the average and certainly not what a car such as a Fiesta would generally be bought to do. I'm sure there will still be plenty of them in ten years time.

The 1.0 Ecoboost isn't the only Ford engine that's affected by this issue, the 1.6 is too.
 
Temperature is serious as that's what causes the head to crack, if the car has it's engine fan running all the time even when not in traffic and not on a scorching hot day and the car has a dashboard lit up with warning lights do you continue to drive? Same with all the basic checks nobody bothers the carry out any more. I can't think of many cars that do have a coolant level sensor, I could be wrong.
The reports suggest there was little or no warning.

For example the issue with the 1.6 engines was partly that it was localised overheating, which means unless the temperature sensor was in the right area (it wasn't by the sounds of it), you wouldn't get any warning and the fan wouldn't speed up as the sensor wasn't picking up that local overheating issue, and by the time the temperature sensor did give a warning the engine was already cracked and losing coolant.

Even with a temperature warning you don't normally expect it to go from "warning" to "get out of the car it's on fire" as quickly as reports suggest was happening,, and it doesn't sound like the car was making it obvious that it was a serious and worsening overheat.
Remember many people are not petrol heads, or mechanically minded so unless it is reasonably obvious that it's a serious fault they may assume it's safe to get the car to the side of the road or a few hundred yards down the road before turning it off.

From what I caught on the news there was also an issue with Dealerships and Ford downplaying the issue, people were not being told it was a serious issue but being reassured it was just a precaution and to drive normally/check the fluid more often (even checking the fluid daily isn't going to help if the pipe gives whilst you're actually driving and dumps the coolant as fast as it can be pumped).

Also as Mischeif says, there was no coolant level warning.
There is a bit of a difference between "your engine is overheating but the cooling system is working and slowing the overheat" and "congratulations your car is now fully air cooled, badly", in the former you probably have a few minute grace if not more if you're careful, in the latter you've got seconds - would you turn your engine off whilst on the motorway because the temperature light came on or would you assume you've got enough time to pull over?

It sounds like Ford made a couple of poor design choices with the engines (the material for the coolant pipe and the lack of a coolant level sensor), and the combination has proven to have a far more serious effect on the engine than either one on it's own.

Personally from what I understand of how Ford handled it, they should have (IMO) treated it as a safety recall, not a routine recall given the severity and suddenness with which it could happen.
 
From what I read the only indication that something was wrong was the temperature gauge, there was no audible warning or on-screen message.
That how it sounded to me as well.

IIRC one example was someone who had the warning light come on, and within a couple of hundred yards as they pulled into a supermarket car park the engine was on fire.
I've not had many temperature warnings on cars I've been in, but remember the fan failing on my dad's one when I was young, IIRC it was a hot day and we'd been stuck in slow moving traffic for an hour, he certainly didn't immediately turn the engine off even though the warning light was on, but nursed it for a minute or two until he was on the hard shoulder.
Apart from a bit of steam and a need for the coolant to be topped off (and the fan belt replaced*) the car was fine.

That's what I suspect most people expect when you get a temperature warning, the engine to still be ok for a few minutes at least as the warning normally comes with enough leeway to allow you to have options, not instant fiery death.;)


*I can't remember exactly, but I think he used a pair of tights or something to get the fan working long enough to reach the services, he's from the generation that spent their evenings with the neighbours fixing each others Morris and Austins and learning how to keep them running if just long enough to get more help:)
 
The 1.0 Ecoboost isn't the only Ford engine that's affected by this issue, the 1.6 is too.
Anyone know if the coolant loss problems with the 2.3 RS engine is the same problem ?

(Maybe it was a completely different problem as the recalled fitted new head gaskets on the RS engines)
 
My 1.6 Ecoboost has had the recall work done recently and hasn't missed a beat in 2 years.
It's terrible, no Ecoboost engine will do that sort of mileage! Except they will. There are a few on Autotrader with over 100k including this one.

The problem is if the engine has been overheating due to the cooling problem they had, the damage may have been done and it's only a matter of time before they go bang :/

The reliability issues have been known about with the 1.0 for some time though.
 
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