Washing clothes now adds to the plastic problem

[adolf hamster]

Liberating in terms of time. A woman doesn't need to do any of those things. They choose to do it every single thing you've listed is a choice.
Also do you mean to tell me for example your wife needs to work so you can afford a washing machine? No. In terms if household income costs they're cheap!

i think the counter argument for this is that the introduction of these items and subsequent free time homemakers, who were predominantly women, had meant that they entered the workplace and doubled the pool of employees, thus de-valuing the cost of labour and reducing the effectiveness of the traditional single income household model.

hence the "debt slavery" business.

i'm not supporting this viewpoint as much as predicting the argument.

 

[Em3bbs]

Liberating to do what? Enter the workplace, pay for childcare they now need, pay for the washing machine, dishwasher and oven, pay for the car they now need, buy a house, increase the mortgage borrowing in a couple. Quickly enter into debt slavery. How liberating.

Yes, lets lock women in the home and make them handwash everything, how dare they consider entering a workplace!

 

[stopper]

What a crock of pooh.

Washing machines were invented as an item of convience just like ovens, microwaves and other appliances, not as a means to enslave the masses. Lay off the happy pills!

You are correct. The police force was invented for enslavement.

This is what I think about plastics.

 

[Dis86]

i think the counter argument for this is that the introduction of these items and subsequent free time homemakers, who were predominantly women, had meant that they entered the workplace and doubled the pool of employees, thus de-valuing the cost of labour and reducing the effectiveness of the traditional single income household model.

hence the "debt slavery" business.

i'm not supporting this viewpoint as much as predicting the argument.

Those women chose to do that though. They don't have to. They can stay at home if they wish. They want to do those things because they can, because they're empowering and because it allows them to enjoy a higher standard of living than they otherwise might be able to.

 

[Dis86]

And yet plastic is still entering the oceans, watercourses and food chains at an alarming rate. And has been an issue for some time (see the microplastics thread created last year with some alarming facts in).

Unfortunately its a global issue and needs fixing at the source.

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/micro-plastic-fibres-the-new-asbestos.18792486/

https://orbmedia.org/stories/Invisibles_plastics

It is. Completely agree. Look where most of it comes from though - I'll give you a hint, it aint us.

 

[Feek]

Just dont wash your clothes. Problem solved.

Well, don't wash your jeans.

 

[Yadda]

Yeah, also has the added bonus of royally ******* off the militant vegetarians and vegans too.

There's a strong case for arguing that all things considered (pollution during manufacture, washing, and disposal), wearing natural materials is actually better for the environment (and therefore kinder to animals) than wearing artificial materials. That won't go down well among vegans.

 

[mrk]

Washing machines were invented to control women?

Never wash your jeans?

Heard it all now...

 

[james.miller]

Liberating to do what? Enter the workplace, pay for childcare they now need, pay for the washing machine, dishwasher and oven, pay for the car they now need, buy a house, increase the mortgage borrowing in a couple. Quickly enter into debt slavery. How liberating.

Yeah I'm sure that was the argument when the washing machine was invented ~220 years ago.

 

[asim18]

Are you serious?

Yeah. A considerable amount of women (and men) these days barely have time to raise their kids because they have to work 30 years to generate money for a capitalist organisation, just so they can pay for a borrowed roof over their head. Women's (and men's for that matter) time is worth a lot more to CEO's if it's spent mining gold for them. Time spent doing things at home like raising children, feeding your family, and washing your own clothes, is time wasted for slave owners; therefore time spent doing these things needs to be minimised in order to maximise slave productivity. People think they are benefiting from working for a capitalist organisation, but the fact is that there will always be at least 1 person who will be benefiting 100x more than you are from your own time.

The point is if you're spending your time at home; cooking your own food, raising your own children, growing your own fruit and veg, keeping your own chickens, maybe looking after a cow, then you are not helping the 0.5% elite population amass their fortunes and build islands, buy yachts, fly helicopters and dozens of Bugattis.

Yes, lets lock women in the home and make them handwash everything, how dare they consider entering a workplace!

No need to go ape extreme here. Who is suggesting locking women at home lol. The point wasn't even about women, I just used women and washing up machines as an example because back in my days women generally did the house work.

 

[Yadda]

Any men fancy liberating themselves with a horse & plough?

 

[Dis86]

Any men fancy liberating themselves with a horse & plough?

Sorry, too busy scratching for potatoes and licking the slime off rocks.

 

[Yadda]

Sorry, too busy scratching for potatoes and licking the slime off rocks.

I don't mind a bit of liberation but I draw the line at a plough.

 

[Lopéz]

The point is if you're spending your time at home; cooking your own food, raising your own children, growing your own fruit and veg, keeping your own chickens, maybe looking after a cow, then you are not helping the 0.5% elite population amass their fortunes and build islands, buy yachts, fly helicopters and dozens of Bugattis.

Yes, and you are also not paying Council Tax, communicating with anyone who isn't in walking distance, owning a vehicle, using public transport, wearing clothes, having electricity, gas, or going on nice holidays.

 

[Jokester]

It’s all just part of the rat race and in the meanwhile as a direct consequence we are destroying our environment at increasing rates.

 

[GSXR Gaz Mc]

stop the earth, i wanna get off, cant stand it no more

 

[Orionaut]

Liberating to do what? Enter the workplace, pay for childcare they now need, pay for the washing machine, dishwasher and oven, pay for the car they now need, buy a house, increase the mortgage borrowing in a couple. Quickly enter into debt slavery. How liberating.

And more to the point, paying taxes on the income that they need to earn pay for all those things that they previously did for themselves.

Every now and again there are articles talking about the scale of the "Unpaid" work in the economy. It is large! And successive governments have always looked at it with envious eyes to figure out how to tax it. encouraging "Full Employment" is one way of doing so.

(Another is to pursue policies that encourage the breaking up of families so that people become individuals and therefore unable to support one another in a non-cash way)

 

[FortuitousFluke]

Yeah. A considerable amount of women (and men) these days barely have time to raise their kids because they have to work 30 years to generate money for a capitalist organisation, just so they can pay for a borrowed roof over their head. Women's (and men's for that matter) time is worth a lot more to CEO's if it's spent mining gold for them. Time spent doing things at home like raising children, feeding your family, and washing your own clothes, is time wasted for slave owners; therefore time spent doing these things needs to be minimised in order to maximise slave productivity. People think they are benefiting from working for a capitalist organisation, but the fact is that there will always be at least 1 person who will be benefiting 100x more than you are from your own time.

The point is if you're spending your time at home; cooking your own food, raising your own children, growing your own fruit and veg, keeping your own chickens, maybe looking after a cow, then you are not helping the 0.5% elite population amass their fortunes and build islands, buy yachts, fly helicopters and dozens of Bugattis.

No need to go ape extreme here. Who is suggesting locking women at home lol. The point wasn't even about women, I just used women and washing up machines as an example because back in my days women generally did the house work.

Watching your evolution over the years from slightly wacky guy who has read too many psychology articles on wikipedia to full on, small holding conspiracy theorist crack pot has been an absolute joy. Please don't ever change, or, should I say, keep going in the same direction, you're so close to the truth man, you could blow this whole thing wide open!

On the wider topic, women campaigned to enter the workplace, you could argue that they're now all "wage slaves" working for the "man" (if you really must), but previously they were beholden to their husbands as sole bread winner within the household. Entering the work place allowed for economic freedom and must be up there with the top 10 most impactful aspects of the women's rights movement.

 

[dowie]

Buy leather, cotton, silk and wool.

Problem solved?

unless you're vegan, then only one of those is suitable

 

[joey1211]

Can't we just reverse the hair-loss gene that have made us require clothing. Social grooming would bring us together and boost our protein levels at the same time. I see no drawbacks.