Another RTX GPU Moan Thread

[Legend]

That's not true. Turing gpus have dedicated RT cores and Tensor cores. When DLSS and RTX are used together we could see better RTX performance. When that will be, who knows?

There is a LONG way to go before we see this, although I suspect it will be never with 20xx. If BFV is anything to go by, the ground that needs to be covered between unacceptable and acceptable FPS is absolutely VAST. Just look at the difference when RTX is enabled... it's shockingly bad even with a 2080Ti. No one wants that, least of all 1080p gamers who are the most fussy when it comes to maintaining high FPS! At 1440p and above, forget about it. Plus you have to keep in mind BFV is just doing reflections... there's no ambient occlusion or any other fancy RTX stuff going on. It's JUST shiny surface reflections, and the game is crippled at 1440p and 4K, only barely playable at 1080p. DLSS isn't going to help very much here, it really isn't, nevermind when you start adding even more RTX stuff! Devs need to figure out a way to leverage this tech significantly better, although I don't see any evidence to suggest that's even possible right now. If they can't, this gen of cards is completely useless for RTX features before they've even got off the ground. The 2080Ti will remain a great 4K card (at a price), while the 2080 and below will be little more than expensive Pascal equivalents with additional tech that's good for basically nothing.

I don't think ray tracing is a lost cause... but the 20xx cards are in respect to achieving it to any seriously acceptable standard. Where we go from here I don't know, but it's a bleak road for anyone expecting RTX to deliver in the short term.

Of course, ray tracing is always going to result in an FPS hit vs traditional rasterisation... but for it to succeed it's going to have to come at a point where this doesn't matter. For example, a game could be hitting north of 200fps with RTX off at 1440p, but if it's still getting 100 FPS with RTX on at 1440p then that's hardly going to cripple the gaming experience, and if said game is FULLY ray traced, it would definitely be worth it. This is years away however.

My bigger concern is the impact all this has on future GPU sales and what potential damage Nvidia have done in regard to selling the gaming public on ray tracing, when they've utterly failed to deliver it this time around... to the point where it feels like we've been fed a load of false promises and lies. Is anyone really going to take Jensen at his word next time he steps on stage to deliver a keynote??

 

[Dirk Diggler]

hey we've been mis-sold, we want our money back

Come on, it's not like this debacle of a release wasn't common knowledge. I'm not trying to troll you here... But if you were informed enough to drop such a ridiculous amount of cash on the card, then surely your were informed enough to know what you were actually buying into?

 

[DrCrabHands]

@Legend, I agree, time will tell. Are we even seeing these cards being used to their full potential with only one game available to use the tech? Hopefully developers can use software to denoise RTX and combine with DLSS and give playable FPS.

 

[bru]

My bigger concern is the impact all this has on future GPU sales and what potential damage Nvidia have done in regard to selling the gaming public on ray tracing, when they've utterly failed to deliver it this time around... to the point where it feels like we've been fed a load of false promises and lies. Is anyone really going to take Jensen at his word next time he steps on stage to deliver a keynote??

While of course this is entirely possible, I do feel it is far to early to make any judgement one way or the other towards the success of the first RTX cards and their ray tracing prowess. I mean so far we have only seen one actual game that has the feature so way to early to tell yet.

 

[Yaayuh!]

RTX is like have a Fiat panda engine in a Ferrari at the moment.
Stick with the M3 until they can put a real power unit in.

 

[Legend]

While of course this is entirely possible, I do feel it is far to early to make any judgement one way or the other towards the success of the first RTX cards and their ray tracing prowess. I mean so far we have only seen one actual game that has the feature so way to early to tell yet.

Yes but as I say, BFV is not even using the full suite of RTX features. It's only using shiny surface reflections, and look at how much it's crippled! Wait till Metro Exodus comes out... that has ambient occlusion going on, it's definitely going to be a far more demanding game regards RTX than BFV is. It may be a tad early to put the nail in the 20xx series coffin regards RTX, but if Metro performs worse than BFV, then that will seal its fate once and for all I reckon.

 

[easyrider]

Is this reason enough to get a retailer to take the cards back? .

Depends where you bought it from.

 

[Darujhistan]

This what happens when you've bought technology that doesn't really exist in the real world.

People who early adopt and pre-order are like naive little fawns wandering into the deep dark forest just as darkness falls and the wolves eyes begin to appear glowing in the shadows.

 

[azazl187]

This whole thread is the reason why I didnt upgrade my card this time. I'm normally one of the first to get the new series of Nvidia card but I'm sticking with my 1080ti because I knew all of this would happen. If people want to drop 1500 quid on a decent 2080ti for a poor FPS return difference at any resolution then that's upto them.

I can afford to buy two if I wanted but I refuse to be shafted sideways like people are currently being by the RTX release. Bring on the 30xx series

 

[Strife212]

Well it's still Titan V levels of performance in normal games.

 

[TNA]

Bring on the 30xx series

Yep. That’s what I say. But to be honest I would not even buy that unless Cyberpunk 2077 comes out around the same time.

My Titan XP chews through everything I throw at it at 4K. It just works

 

[azazl187]

Yep. That’s what I say. But to be honest I would not even buy that unless Cyberpunk 2077 comes out around the same time.

My Titan XP chews through everything I throw at it at 4K. It just works

Well Cyberpunk 2077 will not be bug free until the GOT edition is released one or two years later so I guess for that game...... Bring on the 40xx series!

 

[McGraw]

Mis-bought, not mis-sold.

 

[Dirk Diggler]

Mis-bought, not mis-sold.

 

[easyrider]

I’ll do anything to buy a 2080ti on my credit card , start loads of threads to gain kudos , post YouTube videos of my gameplay to encourage hits to my channel, post how lovely BF5 looks with RT, not divulge my other settings , suddly think sub 60fps is cool in a first person shooter and then suddenly realise no one cares...

 

[[ui]ICEMAN]

For the love of god, please stop with the tiresome tirade easyrider. It’s tedious, and makes you look about 5 years old.

There are many reasons people buy these cards, and there are many different circumstances. A 1080ti over here is only $400 less than a 2080ti at current prices. One hour of work is enough to bridge that gap, and there are people that make a lot more than I do out there.

Leave people to their choice, and be respectful with your opinions. It’s distasteful, and ultimately only makes you look bitter and petty.

 

[McGraw]

For the love of god, please stop with the tiresome tirade easyrider. It’s tedious, and makes you look about 5 years old.

There are many reasons people buy these cards, and there are many different circumstances. A 1080ti over here is only $400 less than a 2080ti at current prices. One hour of work is enough to bridge that gap, and there are people that make a lot more than I do out there.

Leave people to their choice, and be respectful with your opinions. It’s distasteful, and ultimately only makes you look bitter and petty.

One hour of work is enough to bridge that gap for you, you mean.

 

[easyrider]

For the love of god, please stop with the tiresome tirade easyrider. It’s tedious, and makes you look about 5 years old.

There are many reasons people buy these cards, and there are many different circumstances. A 1080ti over here is only $400 less than a 2080ti at current prices. One hour of work is enough to bridge that gap, and there are people that make a lot more than I do out there.

Leave people to their choice, and be respectful with your opinions. It’s distasteful, and ultimately only makes you look bitter and petty.

Then those people should reign it in on how RT is the second coming...

Ramming how good RT is just because you have bought it. It is beyond immature. Its pathetic. and more importantly inaccurate.

Do these people think we're stupid? telling us that sub 60 fps with RT on at 3440 x 1440p is awesome....is also counter productive. and its begging for investigation and critique.

These people should just play their games and stop spamming boards with elitist rhetoric.

I'm even tempted now to buy a 2080ti and post some real world honest data that this community deserves.

 

[twistedheat]

One hour of work is enough to bridge that gap for you, you mean.

Well yeah, that's exactly what he means.

For some people, like me, £400/$400 is a massive amount. For others, it's nearly meaningless. So for someone that only cares about performance, and for whom £400/$400 is a relatively insignificant amount, buying a 2080ti over a 1080ti is an easy decision.

We all do it all the time, so don't see why it's any different for a 2080ti purchaser. Why buy a 1080ti when a 1070 is significantly better price/performance? Why buy a 1070 when an RX 570 is significantly better price/performance? etc.

 

[easyrider]

Well yeah, that's exactly what he means.

For some people, like me, £400/$400 is a massive amount. For others, it's nearly meaningless. So for someone that only cares about performance, and for whom £400/$400 is a relatively insignificant amount, buying a 2080ti over a 1080ti is an easy decision.

We all do it all the time, so don't see why it's any different for a 2080ti purchaser. Why buy a 1080ti when a 1070 is significantly better price/performance? Why buy a 1070 when an RX 570 is significantly better price/performance? etc.

TBH its more about buy the card do it but don't tell me the card is good when its not....I could buy one, two , three if I wanted...But I looked at the data and took a gamble on a 1080ti. But If I had bought one. I would be honest for the community.

Not just spout nonsense to make me feel better about my decision.