Thot Audit

SquirrelMadness · 1 Dec 2018 at 13:12

G-MAN2004 said:
I imagine it's like watching a particular type of weird porn category for years on end and getting to the point where nothing else turns you on anymore, so you start going even more extreme. In this guy's case he probably just enjoyed being ridiculed by women, and then it progressed to eventually giving up money to get the same feeling. I suppose it could be an addiction, or maybe he knows exactly what he is doing and genuinely doesn't care? Who knows.

He would need to have the right baseline genetics (whether natural or unnatural) for this type of behavior to develop in the first place.

Low testosterone + high estrogen + years of watching women in pron perform submissive roles with the camera directed at them making him want to be in their place.

It's more of a biological flaw as opposed to a mental illness.

FoxEye · 1 Dec 2018 at 20:59

BowdonUK said:
The funny thing is, if these guys who are complaining could make the same money as these women, they would be the first to be doing it lol.

What some guys will pay for is amazing. The biggest fetish online is the foot fetish. So if your a woman and have good feet get them on camera lol

Yes, that's why all the good looking women are prostitutes (/escorts/cam******), because they'd "all be doing it" if they could.

Oh, wait.

h4rm0ny · 1 Dec 2018 at 21:36

FoxEye said:
Yes, that's why all the good looking women are prostitutes (/escorts/cam******), because they'd "all be doing it" if they could.

Oh, wait.

Pretty sure he said these basement dwellers would be doing it if they could. Not "all good looking women". Possibly English is not your native language.

*checks location*

Oh, it's not!

Fubsy · 1 Dec 2018 at 21:38

Shots fired!

FoxEye · 1 Dec 2018 at 21:47

h4rm0ny said:
Pretty sure he said these basement dwellers would be doing it if they could. Not "all good looking women". Possibly English is not your native language.

*checks location*

Oh, it's not!

"If they could," most likely meaning, "If they were good looking enough." I imagine that most camgirls are at least moderately good looking.

Pretty much anyone here could plug in their webcam and do it if we're talking about some other criteria (what other criteria could there be, btw? Working internet connection? Check. Webcam? Don't have one personally but it's hardly a significant barrier to entry...)

So... willingness to perform sexual acts for the gratification of strangers is about the only barrier for entry... your success or otherwise would most likely be determined by your attractiveness (or your willingness to do more niche stuff).

My point stands. Not all attractive people are camgirls... because there are other factors at play besides whether you could do it... not everybody wants to do it.

I'm not sure how you managed to take objection to that... are you a camgirl, by any chance?

h4rm0ny · 1 Dec 2018 at 21:52

FoxEye said:
"If they could," most likely meaning, "If they were good looking enough." I imagine that most camgirls are at least moderately good looking.

Pretty much anyone here could plug in their webcam and do it if we're talking about some other criteria (what other criteria could there be, btw? Working internet connection? Check. Webcam? Don't have one personally but it's hardly a significant barrier to entry...)

So... willingness to perform sexual acts for the gratification of strangers is about the only barrier for entry... your success or otherwise would most likely be determined by your attractiveness (or your willingness to do more niche stuff).

My point stands. Not all attractive people are camgirls... because there are other factors at play besides whether you could do it... not everybody wants to do it.

I'm not sure how you managed to take objection to that... are you a camgirl, by any chance?

I am not presently such, no.

But my point is that they wrote: "The funny thing is, if these guys who are complaining could make the same money as these women, they would be the first to be doing it lol." You then replied how many attractive women do not do this. I'm saying it's besides the point - he was having a go at the hypocrisy of the Incels doing this.

FoxEye · 1 Dec 2018 at 21:59

On a related note, could the forum possibly replace made-up words like Incels with something that actually has meaning to Queen's English speakers?

h4rm0ny said:
I am not presently such, no.

But my point is that they wrote: "The funny thing is, if these guys who are complaining could make the same money as these women, they would be the first to be doing it lol." You then replied how many attractive women do not do this. I'm saying it's besides the point - he was having a go at the hypocrisy of the Incels doing this.

How is it hypocrisy tho? If we're genuinely saying, "All these guys would do it if they could," then we're implying that having the means to do something means they must want to do that something.

Thus I made my post to point out that this does not logically follow.

Why would all us blokes want to take money in return for getting strangers off on the 'net? You honestly think we all would? If that's what you think fair enough. But I'm pretty sure at least 50% of us wouldn't even entertain it.

uncle_rufus · 1 Dec 2018 at 22:07

Wow... this thread was quite a ride... don't really know what to say other than good grief really... I find the whole twitch pseudo-camming thing a pretty sad state of affairs (not that it's exactly new, just more accessible and prevalent than ever before) and it seems that the people reporting this stuff are being a bit petty and spiteful - but then again I can't really think of a situation where reporting tax evasion wouldn't come across that way?

(and also a quick aside as I saw it mentioned some posts ago about wtf anyone would watch other people game: )
I watch a lot of "let's play" content and some streams - usually it's just something to put on in the background and since I enjoy gaming so much as a hobby I prefer it to say, re-runs of sitcoms or whatever would be on random TV... but also if you find people that are entertaining to watch I find it fun to see them play through a game I enjoyed, see their reactions etc. I don't really like to watch something that I haven't played yet but intend to play as I would always prefer to play it firsthand...

h4rm0ny · 1 Dec 2018 at 22:19

FoxEye said:
How is it hypocrisy tho? If we're genuinely saying, "All these guys would do it if they could," then we're implying that having the means to do something means they must want to do that something.

Yes. That's what they are implying. That the incels reporting these women would indeed do it if they could. An inference I imagine is drawn from their obvious bitterness.

FoxEye said:
Thus I made my post to point out that this does not logically follow.

No, you switched contexts to attractive women. Attractive women are not, by definition, bitter men. If I said Nazis would eliminate Jewish people if they could, you wouldn't say but other people who could kill Jewish people haven't therefore Nazis wouldn't. You see how switching who we're talking about kind of changes the argument and can't be used to support your point?

FoxEye said:
Why would all us blokes want to take money in return for getting strangers off on the 'net? You honestly think we all would?

Well no. I don't think you all would. That's kind of the point of specifically talking about "these guys who are complaining". I.e. most guys are not bitter incels. You are having great difficulty understanding who is being criticised for some reason and insist on trying to broaden it out to all of you. I'm quite happy to keep bringing it back to the group that was actually called hypocritical as many times as you like.

h4rm0ny · 1 Dec 2018 at 22:20

uncle_rufus said:
...

*Sees username*. Well, this could go either way!

FoxEye · 1 Dec 2018 at 22:23

OK well I still have no idea what an Incel is but... you can no more generalise that all "bitter men" would perform sex acts for money than you can that all attractive women would perform sex acts for money.

The generalisation doesn't become more valid due to not liking the group involved.

e: Ah ********, caved in and looked it up.

Found out that an "Incel" is a most likely a non-existent creature; a caricature created to illicit ridicule, which most likely fails to accurate define more than a handful of people on this planet.

h4rm0ny · 1 Dec 2018 at 23:52

FoxEye said:
OK well I still have no idea what an Incel is but... you can no more generalise that all "bitter men" would perform sex acts for money than you can that all attractive women would perform sex acts for money.

The generalisation doesn't become more valid due to not liking the group involved.

Nobody said, "all bitter men". It's the incels who are harassing the women via tax audits. Even now you can't help but try to broaden it out. And given the issues incels seem to have, I think it's not an unreasonable generalisation.

FoxEye said:
e: Ah ********, caved in and looked it up.

Found out that an "Incel" is a most likely a non-existent creature; a caricature created to illicit ridicule, which most likely fails to accurate define more than a handful of people on this planet.

So all this debate you've not actually known what we were talking about? :rolleyes:

And no, not imaginary. There is a large and increasing number of men who basically have foregone real life inter-sexual interaction and now just live off video games and porn. You think they are non-existent or a mere handful? You're hugely naïve - there are tonnes of them!

EDIT: Admittedly in this case tonnes might just mean a dozen of these whales. But I spoke figuratively.

CREATIVE!11 · 2 Dec 2018 at 00:24

Who cares about these debates.

Pay your taxes. Done.

GGizmo · 2 Dec 2018 at 00:25

FoxEye said:
Yes, that's why all the good looking women are prostitutes (/escorts/cam******), because they'd "all be doing it" if they could.

Oh, wait.

I was talking about the guys who are complaining about it.

Also I was making the point about the foot fetish thing that what people will pay to watch these days wouldn't be considered sexual by the average person.

FoxEye · 2 Dec 2018 at 00:29

Well the "definition" of Incel is not something you can find in the Oxford dictionary, but from what I gather:

Incel: "Involuntary Celibate".

So far, so believable. A whole spectrum of people might be classified thus. Including people with extreme social anxiety, something I understand all too well.

Now this is where the "definitions" start to create a pantomime villain instead of a real person. Depending on who you believe, an "Incel" has the following traits:

* Hates women
* Believes women "owe" them sex
* Bitter
* Angry
* Blames others for their problems
* Hates blacks/Mexicans/an.other due to anger at not getting laid
* Believes rape is OK
* etc

Like I said, the definition of "Incel" is some kind of bogeyman, and if you take all the things they're supposed to do/feel, I do wonder how many "real" Incels actually exist.

Be careful of painting everyone who isn't successful with the opposite sex as some kind of angry monster.

FoxEye · 2 Dec 2018 at 00:31

BowdonUK said:
I was talking about the guys who are complaining about it.

Again, so it's OK to generalise all these guys as "Incels" who are hypocritical enough to do the things they are complaining about.

But you wouldn't dream of generalising women in exactly the same way?

OK.

h4rm0ny · 2 Dec 2018 at 00:59

FoxEye said:
Well the "definition" of Incel is not something you can find in the Oxford dictionary, but from what I gather:

Incel: "Involuntary Celibate".

So far, so believable. A whole spectrum of people might be classified thus. Including people with extreme social anxiety, something I understand all too well.

Now this is where the "definitions" start to create a pantomime villain instead of a real person. Depending on who you believe, an "Incel" has the following traits:

* Hates women
* Believes women "owe" them sex
* Bitter
* Angry
* Blames others for their problems
* Hates blacks/Mexicans/an.other due to anger at not getting laid
* Believes rape is OK (not sure this is part of the definition, but a lot of them like rape-porn -- h)
* etc

Like I said, the definition of "Incel" is some kind of bogeyman, and if you take all the things they're supposed to do/feel, I do wonder how many "real" Incels actually exist.

Loads of them.

FoxEye said:
Be careful of painting everyone who isn't successful with the opposite sex as some kind of angry monster.

I don't and haven't. Incel is a term describing a particular type of person. I'd explain it but you listed most of the attributes above so I don't know why you'd then discard everything you just wrote immediately afterwards.

FoxEye said:
Again, so it's OK to generalise all these guys as "Incels" who are hypocritical enough to do the things they are complaining about.

But you wouldn't dream of generalising women in exactly the same way?

Correct. Because women are not a class of behaviour or beliefs. You're utterly determined to insist that the term applies to people it doesn't, so that you can reject the term. It's like if someone criticised Nazis and you responded "Oh, so you think all Germans are bigots. I bet you wouldn't dream of generalising the French the same way." Nobody did. We talked about Incels. A term which you apparently had to look up and learn for the first time three posts back and yet are now insisting to the rest of us what it means. (Wrongly).

FoxEye · 2 Dec 2018 at 01:03

LOL. Except that it's you that's insisting they must be "Incels", because they had the gall to rat on some camgirls who weren't paying tax?

So the only motivation a person might have to expose tax fraud by a camgirl is because they must be an "Incel". And the follow-on logic that "all Incels are hypocrits who would work in the sex industry if they could".

And you're defending both leaps of faith as tho they were facts.

e: Also I didn't "insist" on any "definition" of Incel, which you must surely appreciate when I said "there's not exactly an Oxford dictionary definition."

You then proceeded to agree to all the listed bullet points bar one which you crossed out.

Then said my "definition" was wrong... so... yeah... whatever.

h4rm0ny · 2 Dec 2018 at 01:21

FoxEye said:
LOL. Except that it's you that's insisting they must be "Incels", because they had the gall to rat on some camgirls who weren't paying tax?

Yes, a group of guys complaining about "women whoring out their bodies" and calling them abusive terms and so on are all just doing this out of concern for possible lost taxes (which they don't know anything about one way or another). But of course "incels probably don't exist". You're plainly determined to not see anything you don't want to see. Boring now. Not defending anything on "leaps of faith". I have encountered plenty of this online. You didn't even know the term until a few posts back and are now explaining confidently about what does and doesn't exist. Pointless to discuss further with you.

FoxEye · 2 Dec 2018 at 01:24

h4rm0ny said:
Yes, a group of guys complaining about "women whoring out their bodies" and calling them abusive terms and so on are all just doing this out of concern for possible lost taxes (which they don't know anything about one way or another). But of course "incels probably don't exist". You're plainly determined to not see anything you don't want to see. Boring now. Not defending anything on "leaps of faith". I have encountered plenty of this online. You didn't even know the term until a few posts back and are now explaining confidently about what does and doesn't exist. Pointless to discuss further with you.

Sure, you keep your generalisations about a group of men and then explain why generalisations about a group of women are totally not the same thing; why one is absolutely accurate and the other is wrong.

Pointless indeed. Always got to be the victim, eh?

e: Also I couldn't give a stuff about your lingo. Let's say some idiots on the 'net decide to call the study of physics "hootaboolery". And then turn round to a physics PhD grad and say, "You've got no right to come here and talk to us about hootaboolery. You didn't even know what the word meant until two minutes ago."

Just cause you use a bunch of made-up words on the internet doesn't mean people can't explore the real things those made-up words represent.

My not knowing what "Incel" means doesn't mean I can't tell you the whole concept is a load of crap. Probably invented by feminists to put all men they don't like a neato cateogory to discredit them.

Like the left does with "alt-right". If you don't read the Guardian you're "alt-right", which is a conveniently broad group including the Nazis, Britain First, and anyone who doesn't vote Labour.

Stupid words don't interest me nearly as much as the meaning and principles behind them. Keep your idiotic words.