Liam Neeson race row - he wanted to kill a black man!

It is fair to say that cultural identities exist and that culture is traditionally linked to race. But it is a dangerous way to judge an individual because it gives only the most basic picture of them.

I think the uproar around Liam Nesesons's comments just shows how disconnected we have become from human nature. At no time in history have we been expected to police our thoughts in the way we do today. Is it not obvious to anyone that we all harbor primal instincts which for evolutionary purposes can emerge in times of stress and make us want to protect our own?

A Black woman on LBC this morning was the voice of reason. She watched a film growing up that showed scenes of slavery and felt hatred for white people. Should this woman be condemned for life, of course not, her feelings were entirely normal. Imagine watching Schindler's list as a Jew.

What matters is that people don't act on these feelings. It's a complex subject and not one we are very good at having an adult conversation about. For thousands of years we were separated by race on the whole and someone from a different land was usually here to invade and do you harm. The echoes of this are still within us.

I want my home town to remain majority English because it will preserve it's identity and I prefer the culture of my forefathers to that of other nations. I am well traveled but I love the feeling of "Home" and everything that goes with it, including the people. I have zero hatred for any race, it is culture I am interested in but traditionally the two have gone hand in hand. It is obviously much more complex these days because you can look at someone Black and have no idea that they are actually Scottish.

I guess history and cultures have to fade away going forward for social cohesion to occur. It is hard for me as I know no other but a child growing up in diversity will probably find other things that they identify with. I do struggle with it though and feel guilty, am I a bad person? Personally I think travelling in the future will be boring, everywhere will just be like London .
 
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Everybody is instinctively Tribal.

"Racism" is a subset of this since if somebody looks that different they are clearly of a different tribe.

If somebody of a different tribe assaults either yourself or another member of your tribe then it is totally natural to regard every member of the other tribe as an enemy. (see also predators. A leopard kills your friend, all leopards are enemies)

This is our basic survival instinct.

Overcoming this basic and totally natural emotional reaction involves intellectual intervention. People often dont think straight when enraged and will often do things that they might regret later when a cooler head prevales.

All I see here is Mr Neeson admitting this, and perhaps warning us about it too.

I see nothing "Racist" about his comments. Only an admission perhaps of perfectly natural human reaction to a terrible event that he now regrets.
 
I see nothing "Racist" about his comments. Only an admission perhaps of perfectly natural human reaction to a terrible event that he now regrets.

No.

His comments were not racist, however his actions to act on his racist thoughts at the time were 100% racist and is not up for debate unless you support those racist thoughts and actions. Anger is not an excuse in the way he's described his actions.
 
I see nothing "Racist" about his comments. Only an admission perhaps of perfectly natural human reaction to a terrible event that he now regrets.

What "comments" are you refering to?

His actions, thoughts and words used at the time (ie during the time/event he was describing), were absolutely 100% racist.
 
What "comments" are you refering to?

His actions, thoughts and words used at the time (ie during the time/event he was describing), were absolutely 100% racist.
At the time, of course his actions were racist, but it was a long time ago and he realises it was a mistake. I don’t think we should be making a social pariah out of him and I certainly think the matter should be drawn to a close now.
 
At the time, of course his actions were racist, but it was a long time ago and he realises it was a mistake. I don’t think we should be making a social pariah out of him and I certainly think the matter should be drawn to a close now.

Oh, i agree with that.

What is annoying me are the comments on here trying to justify his actions at the time or try to put some kind of spin on it to make what he did not racist. It is bizarre.
 
Do we really want to create a situation where people can't discuss mistakes of their past?

That seems to be the goal of some, yes. :( I think they want "racist" to be some intrinsic quality of a person. We live in the culture of Permanent Apology with movements that desire certain groups (White, Male) to be endlessly making amends for their privilege. They will seize upon any target that sticks its head above the parapet or provides the slightest ammunition. Even if that ammunition is something commendable like regretting past wrongs. The idea of forgiveness is alien to these people. They only understand contrition.

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I just think celebrities should treat the media like boxing. Protect yourself at all times, because if you give them an inch they'll take a mile.

We all lose in such an adversarial world. Topics become verboten, people cannot be human, tolerance and forgiveness are damned as condoning. Offline, there's a whole world of people who react normally to this, saying "that was bad, it's good he grew up and changed". But online the screeching never ends. It just echoes for eternity.
 
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But why didn't he just go for a scumbag, of any colour? That is the point, he targeted a black scumbag, when he should have gone for a scumbag of any colour/race.
FFS. really? So you think just indiscriminately going after ANYONE instead the specific demographic of the perp if more acceptable? jesus wept. a black guy commits a crime so you think he should take out a Mexican just so he doesn't appear racist. i know personal attacks aren't allowed here, so i'm saying nowt more.
 
What screams black scumbag/rapist then?
it's really not that hard to identify scumbags how come up to you, but try and work it out for yourself, or get an adult to help if you're still struggling.
last reply in this thread, after the last 3 responses i can feel the stupid beginning to rub off on me.
 
FFS. really? So you think just indiscriminately going after ANYONE instead the specific demographic of the perp if more acceptable? jesus wept. a black guy commits a crime so you think he should take out a Mexican just so he doesn't appear racist. i know personal attacks aren't allowed here, so i'm saying nowt more.

No. You take out the guy that did the actual crime not any old person who happens to look like the person who did

I can’t work our if you’re just playing devils advocate for the fun of it or if you’re just ignorant and don’t see the issue
 
it's really not that hard to identify scumbags how come up to you, but try and work it out for yourself, or get an adult to help if you're still struggling.
last reply in this thread, after the last 3 responses i can feel the stupid beginning to rub off on me.

I don't think it's the latest replies to you in this thread where the stupid started. Well done for restraining yourself on the personal attacks though, Liam Neeson would be proud.
 
FFS. really? So you think just indiscriminately going after ANYONE instead the specific demographic of the perp if more acceptable? jesus wept. a black guy commits a crime so you think he should take out a Mexican just so he doesn't appear racist. i know personal attacks aren't allowed here, so i'm saying nowt more.

It isn't about appearing racist - do you really not understand that lumping people together and treating them differently (in this case wanting to harm one of them) because someone from their general racial group did something bad is literally racist?

Do you understand that say a cop who has had a few bad experiences with black people or perhaps ends up needing to arrest/deal with say black drug dealers/gang members etc.. then decides to treat anyone who is black and dresses in a similar way worse than he'd generally treat other members of the public is perhaps succumbing to racial biases? I don't mean profiling or perhaps an increased chance of stop and search due to the high crime rate in an area but the way they're treated when they interact.
 
FFS. really? So you think just indiscriminately going after ANYONE instead the specific demographic of the perp if more acceptable? jesus wept. a black guy commits a crime so you think he should take out a Mexican just so he doesn't appear racist. i know personal attacks aren't allowed here, so i'm saying nowt more.

Call me what you like, I can handle it. I'm not saying going after anyone is acceptable, of course it's not, but it is racist if he's specifically targeting a black person rather than a 'scumbag' of any origin. I don't see how you're missing it, it's not that hard of a concept.
 
his friend was attacked by a black scumbag. he went out looking for a black scumbag to get payback. he didn't go looking for any random black person.
That's exactly what he did. He didn't care who the person was as long as they were black. He wanted to put himself in a position where he could instigate a confrontation (specifically with a black person) and justify the result as self-defence, even if the result was the death of the other individual involved. The fact that no one obliged is fortunate for all involved but it doesn't negate the intent.

he didn't go looking for any random ethnic/religious type. he went specifically looking for the demographic that raped his friend. that's not racist. that's targetting exactly the type of person who was responsible. if you can't see that, then fair enough.

He wasn't going out to hunt for the individual who committed the crime, he was going out with the aim of beating (and potentially killing) someone, anyone, as long as they were black. That is inherently racist and if you can't see that, then it isn't fair enough, you're deluded.

Do you think that because he was waiting for the other person to start the fight (even if he provoked them), it absolves him of all responsibility?


My thoughts on the subject echo the more sensible comments in this thread:
  • What he set out to do was motivated by racism and should be condemned.
  • However, it was a long time ago and (luckily) nothing came of it.
  • Since then, he realised he was wrong and he no longer holds those views, which should be commended (although I don't think he deserves a medal).
  • Using the promotion of a film to disclose the story was tactless, but I don't think it should be used as a reason to boycott the film (not that I had any intention of going to see it anyway).
  • I feel sorry for the rape victim in all of this and wish that the perpetrator had been brought to justice.
 
Its not racists, dont be stupid, its racially motivated, which is different. If Nelson was racist, he wouldn't work on a studio set with black people etc. People seem to not understand what being racists and bigoted is.
 
Its not racists, dont be stupid, its racially motivated, which is different. If Nelson was racist, he wouldn't work on a studio set with black people etc. People seem to not understand what being racists and bigoted is.

I don't think you do, people generally aren't claiming he's racist these days. What he described doing back then was very racist though. I certainly don't think he deserves any congratulations for doing something racist then realising racism is bad and then talking about it years later.

I do wonder if some of the people seemingly claiming this wasn't racist would instead be condemning him if he'd done something arguably much milder re: racism like getting caught on tape using the n word in direct reference to someone.
 
Neesom comes across a smug ****. If the mob decide he is a racist, he will be a smug racist ****, if not, we will still be a smug ****.

Personally I reckon the whole thing was an ageing egotistical actor spinning an unfortunate event (that did not happen to him) and putting his foot well and truly in his mouth. I would be amazed if it is true he actually prowled the street for about a week looking to kill someone. I would imagine this is highly fictionalised and exaggerated version of events and what could be worse than showing the world you were a hateful racist simpleton.......well imagining you were a hateful, racist simpleton and illustrating it to the world to help sell movie tickets only to find that you sell less move tickets and people now think you are a hateful racist simpleton. Big win Neesom.
 
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