What is the Cheapest 40\80 mbit deal currently?

Cheapest is not always best. A mate switched to TT recently, his sync dropped noticeably, it lasted 3 months before they had to release him from contract and his sync jumped significantly moving back to Sky. Plusnet + Quidco or TCB would be my suggestion, it’ll likely be similarly priced to the cheapest overall, but actually good.
 
Vodafone, £23pm or £27 for 80/20, £50 cashback with Quidco. Had them installed as one of my line for the last 18 months with zero downtime, and maximum sync speeds on 80/20. 80/20 is £24.23 per month after cashback, or £20.22 for 40/10.
 
Avalon said:
Cheapest is not always best. A mate switched to TT recently, his sync dropped noticeably, it lasted 3 months before they had to release him from contract and his sync jumped significantly moving back to Sky. Plusnet + Quidco or TCB would be my suggestion, it’ll likely be similarly priced to the cheapest overall, but actually good.
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I will point out that this has nothing to do with the ISP, and shows a lack of understanding of the openreach network to make this post.
 
Jez said:
I will point out that this has nothing to do with the ISP, and shows a lack of understanding of the openreach network to make this post.
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You are 100% right in pointing out that the last mile up to the CPE is in effect identical due to the way OR operate in the market. You are 100% wrong in your diagnosis however, three tech visits and no dice, I spent 10 minutes at the property and diagnosed the issue - the supplied router (had been replaced by TT), replacing it with a HG612 and pulling stats revealed sync's were back to normal. Feel free to tell me about my lack of understanding though, i'm all ears :D
 
I must point out that I don't mean to be obtuse here, i just had to correct this as you mentioned an ISP name as though it has bearing on the openreach network. Talktalk are a huge ISP with a vast network, there is no reason not to choose them as your provider of openreach FTTC as a commodity :)

Anyway, you contradict yourself as you seem aware of the network but also are still mentioning the ISP. As you rightly say, the network over which this sync issue occurred is identical, ie, it did not change and will not change when you change the upstream provider. The technicians visiting are not even the ISPs, they are openreach employees. This matter had nothing to do with the ISP....

This must be a constant source of frustration to the ISPs that people such as yourselves do not understand how the network works, yet blame the ISP (although as mentioned, i do not understand your confusion as you appear to be aware of the situation).
 
Jez said:
I must point out that I don't mean to be obtuse here, i just had to correct this as you mentioned an ISP name as though it has bearing on the openreach network. Talktalk are a huge ISP with a vast network, there is no reason not to choose them as your provider of openreach FTTC as a commodity :)

Anyway, you contradict yourself as you seem aware of the network but also are still mentioning the ISP. As you rightly say, the network over which this sync issue occurred is identical, ie, it did not change and will not change when you change the upstream provider. The technicians visiting are not even the ISPs, they are openreach employees. This matter had nothing to do with the ISP....

This must be a constant source of frustration to the ISPs that people such as yourselves do not understand how the network works, yet blame the ISP (although as mentioned, i do not understand your confusion as you appear to be aware of the situation).
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Almost as frustrating as people who don't read/understand posts i'd imagine?

I've clearly stated the TT CPE was the issue. That CPE (or router if you prefer) is supplied by TT, physically branded by TT, warranted by TT, has a branded TT UI and is dispatched by TT (well a 3rd party fulfilment, but meh), it's 100% TT's kit and nothing to do with OR or anyone else, if it fails/performs poorly that's TT's issue in the same way if I purchase a 3rd party router and it causes a drop in sync then that would be my problem, not the ISP's (assuming everything else is functional).

The fault was reproducible, plug in the first TT supplied/branded router and loose 20Mbit, plug in an HG612 and jump 20Mbit, plug in the second TT supplied/branded router and drop 20Mbit, plug in the HG612 again and back to full speed, same cable, same test socket, no extensions. Combine this with the faults calls... 1st up was the non OR 3rd party contractor, he can't do anything remotely interesting other than check the master socket/cables, it gets staged back to TT as lower the expected speeds (screen dumps were provided to show historic sync's), OR attend and get expected sync's as they test with the OR supplied terminal, they stage it back to TT as NFF, TT then insist on a different tech attending (not sure if it was boost/up-skilled), again line test is clean/syncs as they should be, pairs have no cross talk or excessive resistance from jointing.

So, we now know:

Line was historically capable of higher (+20Mbit) syncs via Sky.
Line sync'd 20Mbit lower when migrated and TT supplied router(s) were used.
Line tests/syncs perfectly with OR kit.
Line syncs perfectly with unlocked HG612.
Fault is reproducible, just plug in a TT router to knock 20Mbit off.

So, if the only time it drops 20Mbit is when a TT router is plugged in and plugging in anything else results in +20Mbit and we know the line/backhaul/core/routing is fine, then it's an issue with the TT supplied CPE. As that's supplied by and owned by TT, who would you suggest is deserving of blame and why? I'd love to know what (you think) i'm missing.
 
It is very hard indeed to comment on anecdotal examples with no obvious explanation, I won’t doubt that you seem to have been incredibly unlucky (almost unbelievably so) with those modem routers.

I understood that talktalk ship HG635 and HG633 models which incidentally feature the same (actually I believe updated) model chipset as the OR HG612 which tested successfully for you. A very strange situation that you found yourself in, as it is portrayed.

Incidentally (although I appreciate unacceptable) the HG612 and any router would have connected to talktalk for troubleshooting, they do not require authentication. :)
 
Avalon said:
Almost as frustrating as people who don't read/understand posts i'd imagine?

I've clearly stated the TT CPE was the issue. That CPE (or router if you prefer) is supplied by TT, physically branded by TT, warranted by TT, has a branded TT UI and is dispatched by TT (well a 3rd party fulfilment, but meh), it's 100% TT's kit and nothing to do with OR or anyone else, if it fails/performs poorly that's TT's issue in the same way if I purchase a 3rd party router and it causes a drop in sync then that would be my problem, not the ISP's (assuming everything else is functional).
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that wasnt clear in your first post. talktalk as an isp are totally fine and their new router is also pretty good. a sagemcom model.
 
As far as I know TalkTalk don't run separate Retail, Business and Wholesale networks, and some of the highest-rated ISPs use TalkTalk to get their customers back into their core. There's nothing wrong with the network, though as mentioned if you need the support then things can turn sour depending on who picks the phone up.

I'd have no problems trying TalkTalk as an ISP, but they don't do IPv6 so it's not an option.
 
I’ve just renewed with TT, as an existing customer I got 80/20 for £19.95 pm. I’ve found the connection to be rock solid and well performing over the past 18 months. In fact, no different from when I was direct with BT. I used my own router from day one though so can’t comment on the free box they send you. I think they are the cheapest ISP with no traffic management/shaping.
 
Jez said:
It is very hard indeed to comment on anecdotal examples with no obvious explanation, I won’t doubt that you seem to have been incredibly unlucky (almost unbelievably so) with those modem routers.

I understood that talktalk ship HG635 and HG633 models which incidentally feature the same (actually I believe updated) model chipset as the OR HG612 which tested successfully for you. A very strange situation that you found yourself in, as it is portrayed.

Incidentally (although I appreciate unacceptable) the HG612 and any router would have connected to talktalk for troubleshooting, they do not require authentication. :)
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Was it hard to comment when you incorrectly stated I had a 'lack of understanding of the openreach network' or even after I specifically stated it was the TT CPE that was at fault and you ignored me and doubled down with 'people such as yourselves do not know how the network works', perhaps it only got hard when the penny finally dropped that ISP supplied CPE is an ISP problem - something anyone with even the most basic understanding of how the openreach network/ISP market operates would clearly be aware of? Even now it's 'unlucky (almost unbelievably so)', I have to ask, have you considered a career in politics? I'm starting to empathise with the lookout on Titanic here, you can see the problem dead ahead but someone's ignoring facts because they don't fit his narrative even after multiple indications to the contrary.

Between myself and the property owner who's line it was, we total something like a combined 14ish years working in technical/non technical roles for 3-4 of the main UK ISP's and that's ignoring his employment with various telecoms providers, we're both faults trained at various stages - one of us is just too flipping lazy to investigate his own telco faults. I don't know (or really care at this stage as it's not my problem) if it's a TT modem chipset/firmware issue, config issue, CPE batch issue or some obscure conflict at the cab that caused it to negotiate down, all I know is it was reproducible and my results tied in with OR and offered a working solution.

zipp0r said:
that wasnt clear in your first post. talktalk as an isp are totally fine and their new router is also pretty good. a sagemcom model.
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I made a post based on personal experience, I really didn't feel the need to post a blow by blow breakdown of my basis for that, anyone who wanted additional clarification was free to ask. 4 days later instead of asking, someone chose to go off half cocked and say something silly that was slightly ironic, even when clear information was provided it was ignored and he doubled down with even more ludicrous statements until it became painfully obvious he was mistaken and the most half hearted U turn i've seen in years took place. We've all done it at some stage in life, thing is most of us were probably in single digits and it involved a phrase like 'But I have tidied my room!' followed by the crap behind the door/in the wardrobe falling out, unless you were Saddam Hussain's spokes person with NATO tanks driving past you in the background while you deny that your troops had fled and defences were overrun, then again he likely had no choice if he wanted to live. The thing i'm taking away from all of this is even after almost 20 years on OCUK's forums (including pre-nuke version) apparently I should still carry a loaf of Hovis at all times for pics of anything, no matter how mundane, because at some point on OCUK, someone will refuse to accept the most trivial of things because no Hovis.

I've used both TT Business and residential as a direct customer and via resellers who use them for backhaul, like any provider, when it works, it's great, but if you have an issue they can be painful to deal with, more so on the residential side as at least in our region they seem to send out 3rd party tech's which in my case is pointless as i'll have checked/replaced anything they can before we get to that stage, Business tended to be easier as you pay for improved faults handling/response and SLA's normally result in timely resolution. That said every other ISP experience pales by comparison to the last 4 months with BT, but that's another story.
 
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