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That being said these type of people still get it easy and deserve to be put down like the dogs they are
A teenage boy has been detained for life after raping and killing a 14-year-old girl with a hammer.
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i don't disagree.
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There is something to be said for the keeping them alive forever torture, I feel the same with the Jihadis, basically solitary, complete as it would be, forever.
Annual updates on the world at large, and complete revocation of anything resembling a visit or consul.
This could and never would happen, but I feel for many this would be a fate worse than death.
It would be punishment, probably not deterrent, and obviously would have no concept of rehabilitation, but I doubt these 16 year olds can have much in the way of rehabilitation.
How on earth do you manage to inflict 116 injuries on a 6 year old without your brain at some point stopping you, then fabricate the defence he suggested?
It was so fantastical my wife and I discussed how someone could even imagine such a thing if it were not the truth, obviously the jury and magistrate having heard the actual case presented knew this not to be the case.
Responsibility lies with the parents.
Then there's the legal ramifications, the sheer cost involved, the fact that even America is struggling to execute people at the moment because companies won't make the chemicals required etc.
If you want revenge on the guy so be it, but don't try to dress it up as something the justice system should be engaged in.
Is it revenge tho?
The only compelling argument against the death penalty is that miscarriages of justice cannot be remedied. And that's enough for me to generally be opposed to it.
Otherwise the fact that it's more expensive to execute someone is a bit of a failing of bureaucracy/politics rather than an inherent problem with executions.
Torture (etc) has no place in the justice system because it's undeniably about revenge.
Removing somebody from existence quickly and painlessly (as possible) doesn't strike me as revenge motivated. It's a way of dealing with the most abhorrent criminals who pose a high level of threat to society. And likely always will, because they're psychopaths.
The only compelling argument against the death penalty is that miscarriages of justice cannot be remedied. And that's enough for me to generally be opposed to it.
Otherwise the fact that it's more expensive to execute someone is a bit of a failing of bureaucracy/politics rather than an inherent problem with executions.
Torture (etc) has no place in the justice system because it's undeniably about revenge.
Removing somebody from existence quickly and painlessly (as possible) doesn't strike me as revenge motivated. It's a way of dealing with the most abhorrent criminals who pose a high level of threat to society. And likely always will, because they're psychopaths.
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Baroness Chakrabarti, CBE, PC is probably still enjoying the spoils of claiming no anti Semitism exists within the Labour party. Give her time, the limelight is overwhelmingly appealing to some...
Back in the 50's, in Britain the procedure was quite straightforward.
The condemned Man was typically hanged within a month of sentencing (in the week after the third Sunday after sentence was handed down, but not on a Monday)
Piererpoint would be paid about £15.
Despite many in depth investigations, there would appear to have been only a very small number of miscarriages.
The problem in the US is that, despite looking very similar to ours, the US Legal system actually works very differently indeed and miscarriages of justice (Particularly if you are poor or Black) are very much more likely to occur.
it should not be assumed that What happens in the US would happen here.
Depends on what you mean by Torture,
I actually think corporal punishment (Flogging/caning) would actually be very effective and in many ways a far more humane and socially less damaging penalty than our current methods for punishing minor crimes.
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A deterrent for some, and for those for whom it is no deterrent a certain way of assuring no re-offending or ongoing notoriety with its associated publicity.
As Pierrepoind said in his memoirs...
Of course, Pierrepoint would have seen a steady procession of people who were not deterred, otherwise they wouldn't have been having breakfast with him.
What he didn't see was the very much larger number of people who were deterred.
I am sure that had we still had the noose as an option, we would see far fewer of the casual street murders that today are literally becoming a daily event.
Back in the 50's, youth gangs would still rumble, but by God, there were excruciatingly careful not to actually kill one another!
Plenty of manufacturers for 9mm rounds....
Indeed, it is easy to reliably and even humanely kill somebody.
Why does the US have all these bizarre and unreliable methods on the books.
The easiest surely is slow decompression or inert gas asphixiation.
You could execute the condemned man in his sleep without him even realizing it is happening.
Because they like to play it to the public gallery. And so they prefer a bloodless method
Estimates suggest something like 50% of violent crime is committed by psychopaths. And psychopaths are pretty much immune to the threat of punishment.