GTX 2080ti speculation

Jim Jervis · 6 Mar 2019 at 13:15

So having decided to leave the overpriced imo RTX 2080ti well and truly alone I was wondering if Nvidia would at some point in the future realise a cheaper GTX version would do very well. I would be more likely to upgrade to a GTX 2080ti if it brought the price down to say £700. What are your thoughts on this? do you think it is likely to happen? would you consider a cheaper GTX 2080ti if one was released?

snips86x · 6 Mar 2019 at 13:17

I would consider it if that were to happen, but the 2080 is 1080Ti territory with the 2080Ti being further ahead, closer to the traditional titans they've released.

BigBANGtheory · 6 Mar 2019 at 13:24

I think high end discreet GPU hardware is going to be stuck for another year with this ridiculous situation. Nvidia are trying to pull an Apple which basically means their business model is to charge a ton for cards heavily marketed as the best, with lower volume of sales for higher margins. They will literally do anything to avoid discounting imho even if that means releasing a new product at a lower price point with similar performance aka iPhone SE of the GPU world.

LePhuronn · 6 Mar 2019 at 14:49

Never gonna happen. It would be an admission that RTX tech is worthless and their cards are overpriced. If shareholders continue to get funny about poor sales then Nvidia will likely just accelerate their 7nm plans and push a new generation with better RT performance and smaller dies. The prices can come down a little, masking their rampant greed by claiming smaller dies are cheaper to produce, and actual RTX tech performance is more worthwhile.

yoyo59 · 6 Mar 2019 at 15:56

I think I heard Nvidia made a useless technology in the GPU way back in the beginning that we all use now for games because they was scared that integrated graphics would take over, im assuming this RTX malarkey is another attempt at saving the company / shareholders

Caracus2k · 6 Mar 2019 at 20:55

Given the rather poor show generally for RTX months after release a cheaper `2080ti' sans RTX would heavily canablise sales of most of the RTX lineup including the RTX 2080.

Isn't very likely at all to happen

Grim5 · 6 Mar 2019 at 21:00

LePhuronn said:
Never gonna happen. It would be an admission that RTX tech is worthless and their cards are overpriced. If shareholders continue to get funny about poor sales then Nvidia will likely just accelerate their 7nm plans and push a new generation with better RT performance and smaller dies. The prices can come down a little, masking their rampant greed by claiming smaller dies are cheaper to produce, and actual RTX tech performance is more worthwhile.

Overpriced, yes. Worthless tech, hell no.

Fixed function hardware is a fantastic way to deliver a generational leap in ray traced global illumination performance.
GPU's have a history of doing this as a way to push tech in the meantime - Physx required fixed function hardware, Tesselation used fixed function hardware etc. Ray Tracing is here to stay and will be driven by fixed function hardware until such time that the GPU can otherwise achieve the same performance with traditional rasterization

Jim Jervis · 7 Mar 2019 at 15:34

Oh well, one can but hope, it is a shame nvidia don't give us the option whether to have Ray Tracing or not in our top end GPU's, wouldn't mind so much if Ray Tracing was main stream but my god those RTX prices have priced me right out of taking that option anyway.

Bluntwrapped · 7 Mar 2019 at 17:24

To be honest, I wouldn’t be too concerned buying used even if it means little or no warranty. If you don’t need 2080ti performance a used 1070ti from EVGA would be a good move as they’re still new enough to come with remaining warranty.

CuriousTomCat · 7 Mar 2019 at 21:18

You know things are bad when you think £700 for a GPU is a good deal lol.

MasterOC · 7 Mar 2019 at 22:58

CuriousTomCat said:
You know things are bad when you think £700 for a GPU is a good deal lol.

indeed. i actually pre-ordered a GPU for the first time in my life to get that price. 715 to be exact. :'( ... sod it i love it though , Metro exodus alone has proved it can perform well enough to warrent it when implemented half decently.
imo future generations wont always be as sky high... theyll not be massivly cheaper but i think we've seen the worst of it. next gen top tier GPU will max be 1000 quid rather than over that. still excessive but OG titan prices rather than current MGPU budgets for single GPU setups

Undesirable · 8 Mar 2019 at 02:10

VRAM's the problem. Older 10 series have too little VRAM, 2080ti has just the right amount but is too expensive. Vega VII has too much VRAM (adding too much to the price).

Grim5 · 8 Mar 2019 at 02:28

Well see about the VRAM thing - every rumour for the last 6 months says the new consoles will use 16GB DDR6, which gives a lot of extra memory for the GPU's which can drive up the requirements for PCs

Rroff · 8 Mar 2019 at 05:34

I don't like the way they are going in terms of tier and price - I don't care if there are top end ultra cards that are crazy money and may at times buy one if my needs dictate such but back in the day there always used to be a fairly close card at more sensible money now you basically go from the top card(s) to midrange performance while still paying top end prices.

Bluntwrapped · 8 Mar 2019 at 08:02

Rroff said:
I don't like the way they are going in terms of tier and price - I don't care if there are top end ultra cards that are crazy money and may at times buy one if my needs dictate such but back in the day there always used to be a fairly close card at more sensible money now you basically go from the top card(s) to midrange performance while still paying top end prices.

Agree completely. £500 should be the absolute max for a high end desktop Nvidia card. I’m they’d make more sales that way.

Caplitalism and shareholders suck.

LePhuronn · 8 Mar 2019 at 09:15

Undesirable said:
VRAM's the problem. Older 10 series have too little VRAM, 2080ti has just the right amount but is too expensive.

On what planet is 11GB just the right amount? 8GB is just the right amount for the performance levels in which the 8GB cards operate. 6GB on the GTX 1060 is plenty for the performance level in which it operates. So you want more VRAM on cards that don't need it, but 16GB is too much on a card that can utilise it? Yeah OK...

Undesirable said:
Vega VII has too much VRAM (adding too much to the price).

I really do wish people would stop using Radeon VII as any form of comparative basis. It's a PR stunt, an opportunity taken, a rushed space filler, a blip, a fringe case. It is not a real, sustainable or planned product and to factor it into any discussion about pricing just skews things.

Dirk Diggler · 8 Mar 2019 at 10:33

People approach this in a back to front way. They decide they want the highest performing card but refuse to buy because it doesn't suit their budget. What follows is some sort of collective whinge-fest about the injustice of it all.

My budget is £700. I can buy a 2080 with that, but why would I do that when I already have a 1080ti that is faster and has more Vram? I'm not lusting after a £1k+ 2080ti just as I didn't lust after a £1k+ Titan when I bought my 1080ti.

It's a no brainer! Just wait until a card gets released that outperforms what you currently have and also meets your budget requirements.

OP, a cheaper RTX2080ti will get released. It won't be called a GTX2080ti it'll be called a RTX3080ti... Or RTX3080.... Or maybe RTX3070... Or whatever next generation card outperforms your current card at a price that suits you.

Jim Jervis · 8 Mar 2019 at 19:00

String said:
People approach this in a back to front way. They decide they want the highest performing card but refuse to buy because it doesn't suit their budget. What follows is some sort of collective whinge-fest about the injustice of it all.

My budget is £700. I can buy a 2080 with that, but why would I do that when I already have a 1080ti that is faster and has more Vram? I'm not lusting after a £1k+ 2080ti just as I didn't lust after a £1k+ Titan when I bought my 1080ti.

It's a no brainer! Just wait until a card gets released that outperforms what you currently have and also meets your budget requirements.

OP, a cheaper RTX2080ti will get released. It won't be called a GTX2080ti it'll be called a RTX3080ti... Or RTX3080.... Or maybe RTX3070... Or whatever next generation card outperforms your current card at a price that suits you.

That makes perfect sense, the waiting game it is ;-)

Jim Jervis · 8 Mar 2019 at 19:10

CuriousTomCat said:
You know things are bad when you think £700 for a GPU is a good deal lol.

This is what they do to us, my 1080ti cost me well over £700 when I bought it and I remember thinking I must be mad, then they release £1000+ cards and all of a sudden £700 is now acceptable, not a good deal at all, you're absolutely right, some of us get sucked in and blown out in bubbles and I'm guilty of that.

CuriousTomCat · 8 Mar 2019 at 20:45

Jim Jervis said:
This is what they do to us, my 1080ti cost me well over £700 when I bought it and I remember thinking I must be mad, then they release £1000+ cards and all of a sudden £700 is now acceptable, not a good deal at all, you're absolutely right, some of us get sucked in and blown out in bubbles and I'm guilty of that.

It's because people think that games are going to continue to advance at the same rate. So if somebody needed a 980Ti in 2015 for ultra settings, they think they'll also need a 2080Ti this time for ultra settings and they get annoyed because of the price.

People need to ignore the name of the card and look at the price. So if you spent £500 last time, then spend £500 this time. In which case, you may find that there's nothing on the market worth upgrading to for that price. That's a good thing because it means your GPU is future-proofed for another 2 years until the next gen releases. You've benefited from the price rises.

That's what the market seems to be doing. If you look at the Steam survey for February 2019, the GTX 1060 is still the most popular card at 15.88% market share. That's an increase of 1.01% since January 2019 and it was rising month on month. The most popular RTX card is the 2070 at 0.17% market share.

Games developers will stop requiring faster and faster cards because people simply aren't buying high end cards. They need to sell as many games as they can so they will make sure they run very well on the most popular cards on Steam which isn't anything high end. So you're 1080ti will last for a good few more years.

An example where this has happened is CPUs. When Intel stopped advancing for a 10 year period, Games developers didn't continue advancing the CPU side of games and start requiring duel Xeons and ultra high end stuff. They simply stopped innovating parts of games which require faster CPU's. Now the tables have turned because core count is increasing an developers have already started to adapt to that change.