New Zealand Killer Trial

GGizmo · 18 Mar 2019 at 18:10

C.R.A.Z.Y said:
It also creates the supply & demand equation.
If messed up people want to watch humans being killed for entertainment purposes it encourages others to commit more videoed murders.

So you're against holocaust education then?

If we had never seen anything about the concentration camps in ww2, just a couple of sentences in the history books, do you think people would have been just as disgusted with the nazis?

C.R.A.Z.Y · 18 Mar 2019 at 18:13

That's a pathetic and ridiculous comparison which I'm not going to waste my time explaining why it's fundamentally different. If you can't even work that out for yourself I'm gonna be totally wasting my time.

GGizmo · 18 Mar 2019 at 18:18

C.R.A.Z.Y said:
That's a pathetic and ridiculous comparison which I'm not going to waste my time explaining why it's fundamentally different. If you can't even work that out for yourself I'm gonna be totally wasting my time.

Because you know the answer.

C.R.A.Z.Y · 18 Mar 2019 at 18:18

Website Kiwi Farms refuses to surrender data linked to accused Brenton Tarrant

The American operator of a controversial website has smacked down a request by New Zealand police to hand over posts and video links
that appeared on the site as the Christchurch terrorist attack unfolded.
In an obscenity-laden email, Kiwi Farms founder Joshua Moon dismissed the plea by Detective Senior Sergeant John Michael as "a joke" -
labelling New Zealand "a small, irrelevant island nation" and "s***hole country".
Moon is a former administrator of 8chan, the online message board where shooting accused Brenton Tarrant posted details of his sick plan,
along with a 73-page manifesto, mere hours before allegedly carrying out New Zealand's deadliest terrorist attack.
Kiwi Farms, 8chan and a third online message board called Voat are all under investigation by authorities tracking Tarrant's online activities.
They are popular with incels (involuntary celibates), an online subculture of men who claim they are unable to find sexual or romantic partners.

Source = https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12214017

Scam · 18 Mar 2019 at 18:20

BowdonUK said:
So you're against holocaust education then?

If we had never seen anything about the concentration camps in ww2, just a couple of sentences in the history books, do you think people would have been just as disgusted with the nazis?

You're confusing seeing the end result with the act itself. Secondary schools do not show videos of Jews getting tortured and gassed in the camps in the name of education. Seriously - you need to have a nice cup of tea and a sit-down, and reassess your life. You've got a screw loose if you think this video could be used for education.

G-MAN2004 · 18 Mar 2019 at 18:29

C.R.A.Z.Y said:
Also people that actively seek out these sort of videos are properly messed up in the head and need to seek professional help ASAP

The only person that has acted crazy in these threads is you, which is rather funny given your user name.

Look at your sigs too. You're completely obsessed. How's the manifesto coming along?

GGizmo · 18 Mar 2019 at 18:32

Scam said:
You're confusing seeing the end result with the act itself. Secondary schools do not show videos of Jews getting tortured and gassed in the camps in the name of education. Seriously - you need to have a nice cup of tea and a sit-down, and reassess your life. You've got a screw loose if you think this video could be used for education.

We have seen a lot during ww2 education, including people being shot and killed, those videos are on youtube by the British pathe.

I've got no desire to see the video, or seek it out.

I just don't agree with the path multiple governments have taken in censoring knowledge from the people.

Nobody is forcing you to watch it.

Irish_Tom · 18 Mar 2019 at 18:37

What a nice chap.

dowie · 18 Mar 2019 at 20:38

StriderX said:
Hopefully they go down the more unfortunate route.

At least this is the beginning of the end of that ********.

What is the more unfortunate route in this instance? The US has pretty strong protections re: freedom of speech.

StriderX · 18 Mar 2019 at 21:26

dowie said:
What is the more unfortunate route in this instance? The US has pretty strong protections re: freedom of speech.

There’s always a way, money talks and I’m almost certain the people paying for 8chan aren’t rich enough for it.

dowie · 18 Mar 2019 at 21:27

StriderX said:
There’s always a way, money talks and I’m almost certain the people paying for 8chan aren’t rich enough for it.

So what is the "way" or the unfortunate route in this instance then? Rich enough for what exactly?

I'm not sure what you think they can do here if no US law has been broken.

StriderX · 18 Mar 2019 at 21:30

dowie said:
So what is the "way" or the unfortunate route in this instance then? Rich enough for what exactly?

Paying off agents, using the 5 eye system perhaps, I’m sure there’s a way if they feel aggrieved enough. I doubt they’ll bother too much more than ambassadorial letters, but still. There’s potential in establishment chumocratic favors aswell, have no idea if that means much with NZ though.

Also Mr mentally ill in the Oval Office won’t be there forever, and the punch back for anything remotely far right will be swift.

dowie · 18 Mar 2019 at 21:36

StriderX said:
Paying off agents, using the 5 eye system perhaps, I’m sure there’s a way if they feel aggrieved enough.

Also Mr mentally ill in the Oval Office won’t be there forever, and the punch back for anything remotely far right will be swift.

What on earth are you talking about? The NZ police will "pay off agents" to take down a video hosted on the internet "using the 5 eye system perhaps"?

This is just fantasy CT level garbage. Unless the site is breaking US laws then they can likely carry on hosting the video, I asked for clarification before as I thought you might actually be referring to something that could be pursued but it seems you're just spouting BS.

StriderX · 18 Mar 2019 at 21:41

dowie said:
What on earth are you talking about? The NZ police will "pay off agents" to take down a video hosted on the internet "using the 5 eye system perhaps"?

This is just fantasy CT level garbage. Unless the site is breaking US laws then they can likely carry on hosting the video, I asked for clarification before as I thought you might actually be referring to something that could be pursued but it seems you're just spouting BS.

Maybe this whole thing is a conspiracy to take away duh guns?

I just won’t be surprised if the likes of 8chan disappear at some point, probably of their own doing tbh, but still.

FoxEye · 18 Mar 2019 at 21:47

StriderX said:
Maybe this whole thing is a conspiracy to take away duh guns?

I just won’t be surprised if the likes of 8chan disappear at some point, probably of their own doing tbh, but still.

Are you just throwing **** in all directions in the hope that something you say might one day be correct?

StriderX · 18 Mar 2019 at 21:51

FoxEye said:
Are you just throwing **** in all directions in the hope that something you say might one day be correct?

Hey it keeps me sane, gotta invent winning scenarios as vague as possible.

You can’t lose if you cover all the ground and stay on the fence at the same time.

In seriousness though, after all the deplatforming from twitter/instagram/Facebook/YouTube or whatever else, it’s a logical direction of travel to expect it to ramp up.

dowie · 18 Mar 2019 at 21:53

StriderX said:
Maybe this whole thing is a conspiracy to take away duh guns?

I just won’t be surprised if the likes of 8chan disappear at some point, probably of their own doing tbh, but still.

Yes it might well disappear one day and that probably will be of their own doing whether through doing something silly that breaks US law or indeed just running out of money or getting bored with running the site etc..etc.. But that isn't particularly relevant here.

The Geezer · 18 Mar 2019 at 22:07

I have to agree with the ban and distribution of the video.

For me it’s like those people whoencourage suicide online, taking advantage of the vulnerable.

2013 · 19 Mar 2019 at 02:38

Wrong thread.

Beren · 19 Mar 2019 at 07:04

On the video I think it is quite simple. The people in the video should have absolute right of ownership amd therefore veto.
If they then decide they want it public for some reason in any form we should losten to and perhaps respect that. Otherwise it is copyright, and the guilty should be extradited to the US and locked up. We have previous for that in NZ.

The trial... As long as it is genuinely reported and no one gets a hate platform, it is news and we cant tell anyone not to cover it.

I think that the scumbag was just showing what his back passage is going to look like while every man of colour in the NZ prison system explains figuratively what they think of him.

I also expect cumulative life sentences for each murder, so thats what 1000 years? NZ wont ever let him out.

We are seeing biker gangs and all sorts showing solidarity and respect. Everything here is pointing to a strengthening community of all cultures not division.

I spent a few minutes today just watching at a muslim centre where the local Christian groups were watering all the wreathes and supporting the muslim community. It was an extremely moving scene of older people showing real care and community