AMD Navi 20 Faster Than An Nvidia RTX2080Ti?

[TNA]

Jeeez, even *I'm* not sure if Greg is taking the **** or not now

Absolutely, I'm literally praying this is faster than a 2080Ti. Secretly hoping its an overclockers dream too.

I NEED AMD to step up so nVidia are pushed, that way I can keep buying the fastest nVidia cards. nVidia have had no competition for years, this is why we have 2080Ti at insane prices.

Lol

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Agreed, I avoid it like the plague. Gets quoted here plenty enough anyways. Loadsmoney comes to mind

 

[Kaapstad]

Worst thing AMD could do is go after the extreme high end with Navi 20 as hardly anyone buys those cards anyway.

Far better to make the best sub £700 card that the tech will allow and hit NVidia where it hurts.

 

[AStaley]

Worst thing AMD could do is go after the extreme high end with Navi 20 as hardly anyone buys those cards anyway.

Far better to make the best sub £700 card that the tech will allow and hit NVidia where it hurts.

This is exactly what the industry needs, someone to trade blows with NVidia and keep them honest. And with Intel joining the mix hopefully we'll get a good 3 way fight.

 

[Chrisc]

i think the best we can hope for is Vega56/64 level performance for around the £200-£250 mark. People who think it will be anywhere near 2080/ti levels are dreaming.

 

[SonicSW20]

i think the best we can hope for is Vega56/64 level performance for around the £200-£250 mark. People who think it will be anywhere near 2080/ti levels are dreaming.

Would need to exceed that IMO, seeing as you can get a new reference Vega 56 for £250, and some custom cooler cards starting at ~£270.

 

[TheRealDeal]

i think the best we can hope for is Vega56/64 level performance for around the £200-£250 mark. People who think it will be anywhere near 2080/ti levels are dreaming.

If we were talking about Navi 10 then you would probably not be to far off. Navi 20 as in the thread title is expected to be a big chip power card unlike Navi 10 which is expected to be the Polaris replacement.

 

[LePhuronn]

i think the best we can hope for is Vega56/64 level performance for around the £200-£250 mark. People who think it will be anywhere near 2080/ti levels are dreaming.

People may laugh and dismiss the AdoredTV leak, but to me that's the most rational breakdown of performance tiers. Navi will not be a Zen-like jump out of the blue for GPUs.

I'm still sticking to my wild theory of a Radeon VII-replacing RX 3090 too

 

[FoxEye]

This is exactly what the industry needs, someone to trade blows with NVidia and keep them honest. And with Intel joining the mix hopefully we'll get a good 3 way fight.

AMD have to be smart with their R&D efforts - they have much less R&D funding than either nV or Intel.

Getting their CPUs in all the consoles has proved to be an effective strategy.

Navi is designed around Sony's PS5 requirements - and I can't see Navi being a killer high-end GPU at all.

 

[ltron]

Worst thing AMD could do is go after the extreme high end with Navi 20 as hardly anyone buys those cards anyway.

Far better to make the best sub £700 card that the tech will allow and hit NVidia where it hurts.

They could do both, I don't see why they are mutually exclusive. However, I don't really see £700 (the most expensive AMD/ATI single GPU ever) as a constraint to making the best possible GPU as I think Nvidia's prices are grossly inflated and they could sell a 2080Ti at this price and still make a good profit.

AMD need a true halo product that smashes Nvidia if they want to gain significant mind share and market share. Halo products have always been about a trickle down marketing effect not volume sales, see the GTX 1060 outselling the superior RX580 by 10:1.

 

[LoadsaMoney]

Agreed, I avoid it like the plague. Gets quoted here plenty enough anyways. Loadsmoney comes to mind

 

[nashathedog]

Would need to exceed that IMO, seeing as you can get a new reference Vega 56 for £250, and some custom cooler cards starting at ~£270.

Here's how I think things will go, Navi will slot in like Polaris did, On release Polaris struggled to match Grenada (390/390x) which offered mid-level performance behind Fiji (Fury pro/Fury X), As Radeon's driver team learnt the architecture things improved & now Polaris often sits above Grenada & sometimes Fiji thanks to it's 4gb limit, Navi will do roughly the same with a best case of Vega 64 performance, however looking at current and recent 14nm Vega pricing I doubt it'll be much cheaper & I think Radeon VII will remain the flagship until sometime next year.
Disclaimer:I have no source and know nothing no-one else does.

 

[Kaapstad]

They could do both, I don't see why they are mutually exclusive. However, I don't really see £700 (the most expensive AMD/ATI single GPU ever) as a constraint to making the best possible GPU as I think Nvidia's prices are grossly inflated and they could sell a 2080Ti at this price and still make a good profit.

AMD need a true halo product that smashes Nvidia if they want to gain significant mind share and market share. Halo products have always been about a trickle down marketing effect not volume sales, see the GTX 1060 outselling the superior RX580 by 10:1.

Doing more than is needed is what has got NVidia into trouble with Turing hence the high prices as the cores are packed with transistors that have nothing to do with normal gaming. Ray Tracing barely works even on a RTX Titan but adds a lot to the cost of the card.

AMD need to forget Ray Tracing and any other new gimmick and concentrate on building a fast sub £700 card.

Neither NVidia or AMD should go near Ray Tracing until the node after 7nm as the price/performance ATM is just not worth it.

When I watch a pair of RTX Titans running SOTTR with Ray Tracing maxed it leaves me scratching head as to difference with it on or off.

The proof of my argument is the biggest competition for a 2080 is actually the GTX 1080 Ti, a card without ray tracing and more than 2 years old.

 

[ANDREW GREEN]

Here's how I think things will go, Navi will slot in like Polaris did, On release Polaris struggled to match Grenada (390/390x) which offered mid-level performance behind Fiji (Fury pro/Fury X), As Radeon's driver team learnt the architecture things improved & now Polaris often sits above Grenada & sometimes Fiji thanks to it's 4gb limit, Navi will do roughly the same with a best case of Vega 64 performance, however looking at current and recent 14nm Vega pricing I doubt it'll be much cheaper & I think Radeon VII will remain the flagship until sometime next year.
Disclaimer:I have no source and know nothing no-one else does.

This seems to make sense. But if they don't even have a 2060 beater they won't be winning back any market share. And if they don't have a Vega 64 beater you'd imagine they'd lose market share.

It could be Nvidia know that Navi can't touch the 2070 so have priced accordingly. I do hope AMD can beat the 2070 at 7nm

 

[nashathedog]

I was just perusing the net when i came across this Hitman 2 gpu review and WOW! How the mighty have fallen,

https://www.tweaktown.com/articles/...ed-dx12-testing-20-graphics-cards/index5.html

This is why suggesting someone gets a last gen Nvidia card over a new gen Nvidia card is giving someone bad advice.

 

[nashathedog]

This seems to make sense. But if they don't even have a 2060 beater they won't be winning back any market share. And if they don't have a Vega 64 beater you'd imagine they'd lose market share.

It could be Nvidia know that Navi can't touch the 2070 so have priced accordingly. I do hope AMD can beat the 2070 at 7nm

They already have with the VII, With Navi still being GCN I can't see it offering the level of performance increase some seem to be expecting, Polaris was a die shrink going from 28nm to 14nm so consider how Navi's in a similar situation going from 14 to 7 & it should give us an idea of what's to come. The Vega VII on 7nm sort of shows there's nothing remarkable coming due to GCN limits already being reached, Some fine tuning and a bit of polish but unless they've done some magic with the infinity fabric we'll still be waiting for a real competitor as we move into 2020.

 

[Chrisc]

If we were talking about Navi 10 then you would probably not be to far off. Navi 20 as in the thread title is expected to be a big chip power card unlike Navi 10 which is expected to be the Polaris replacement.

I havent watched the video to be fair. So i wasnt aware it was Navi 20.

 

[ltron]

Doing more than is needed is what has got NVidia into trouble with Turing hence the high prices as the cores are packed with transistors that have nothing to do with normal gaming. Ray Tracing barely works even on a RTX Titan but adds a lot to the cost of the card.

AMD need to forget Ray Tracing and any other new gimmick and concentrate on building a fast sub £700 card.

Neither NVidia or AMD should go near Ray Tracing until the node after 7nm as the price/performance ATM is just not worth it.

When I watch a pair of RTX Titans running SOTTR with Ray Tracing maxed it leaves me scratching head as to difference with it on or off.

The proof of my argument is the biggest competition for a 2080 is actually the GTX 1080 Ti, a card without ray tracing and more than 2 years old.

I'm not sure Nvidia's prices are justified though, they are using ray tracing as an excuse to charge so much because they can get away with it due to a lack of competition and they are making a massive profit on the back of this.

 

[shankly1985]

I be happy buying a Navi GPU with performance around 1080Ti / 2080 for £400/£470

Be a nice upgrade over my Vega 64 while staying with my preferred GPU budget.

 

[LePhuronn]

They already have with the VII, With Navi still being GCN I can't see it offering the level of performance increase some seem to be expecting, Polaris was a die shrink going from 28nm to 14nm so consider how Navi's in a similar situation going from 14 to 7 & it should give us an idea of what's to come. The Vega VII on 7nm sort of shows there's nothing remarkable coming due to GCN limits already being reached, Some fine tuning and a bit of polish but unless they've done some magic with the infinity fabric we'll still be waiting for a real competitor as we move into 2020.

The difference though is Navi isn't a shrink, it's a fresh 7nm design. Yes, it's still the 6th iteration of GCN so there's only so much that can be done with it, but it is different approach to Polaris and Vega that were designed on X process then ported to Y process. This could make zero difference, it could make a significant difference.

Just saying "well look how much we didn't get when Vega shrank to 7nm" is a bit short-sighted, I think.

 

[Dicehunter]

Here's how I think things will go, Navi will slot in like Polaris did, On release Polaris struggled to match Grenada (390/390x) which offered mid-level performance behind Fiji (Fury pro/Fury X), As Radeon's driver team learnt the architecture things improved & now Polaris often sits above Grenada & sometimes Fiji thanks to it's 4gb limit, Navi will do roughly the same with a best case of Vega 64 performance, however looking at current and recent 14nm Vega pricing I doubt it'll be much cheaper & I think Radeon VII will remain the flagship until sometime next year.
Disclaimer:I have no source and know nothing no-one else does.

This makes the most sense to me, AMD only just brought out Radeon VII and to kill it off so early would be suicide for them, I reckon Q1 2020 for big Navi.