Half of England is owned by < 1% of the population.

dowie said:
But plenty of the rich toffs do own farm land, I mean that is a large amount of the green belt land. Sure there are forests etc... too but they typical large estate with dozens or hundreds of acres isn’t that size because they’ve got a massive garden!
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Calm down there lad,

I'm just needing an excuse to sharpen my pitchfork.... I got it at the ready.

SOMEONE JUST GIVE ME THE GREEN LIGHT!
 
Fine said:
yeah obviously I'm saying that *removed*
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How their ancestors obtained the land is irrelevant, however untoward. That was how it was back then. Was it wrong? Of course, and it wouldn't be allowed at all nowadays. Still, it was owned by their family, would you decline any inheritance from your family if you knew 100 years ago, someone in the line did something dodgy? Nah, didn't think so. So your useless statement had no point relevant to what the discussion was about.
 
Schlong&Stable said:
Women entered the work force though, so wages were naturally going to decline. You can't double the size of your workforce and not expect to changes over the decades that follow.
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More workers in the production mean higher productivity rates and volume of goods. Nowhere, more workers means lower wages. That's just an excuse of the rich capitalist holders.
 
Pudney said:
It's not really a good idea though, as it has potential to unfairly hit so many people it's not designed to combat when you consider things like farmers, national parks or green belt landowners.
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Yeah almost every proposal I've seen would ultimately hurt the people who've worked hard for what they have the most and in the long run concentrate a lot of land into the hands of the wrong people.

One thing I've found over the years is that many of those against inheritance or pro certain types of re-distribution of wealth don't actually believe people have done well from hard work or honest/responsible means because they themselves are lazy and have loose scruples and believe everyone else is really like that but those who've done better than them have found ways to cheat/game the system to get ahead.
 
I have to say my mindset has actually softened with age when it comes to rich v poor. I am far FAR less **** the poor it's all their fault (it still is often) and far less the rich pay for you poor. It comes from life experience and more exposure to both.

I do alright, I live the good life with the toys and trinkets many dream of, but I have a few proper money sorts in my network and friends circle. People who have real money (which is not just a 1M quid house I hasten to add), the sort of money that lets them drop millions on a plaything. Many of them struggle when not in the company of 'people like them'. Not all I hasten to add, particularly the old money types who are just freaks anyway but fun freaks, but often the city types who were always destined to become fund managers etc (again not all), as opposed to the wealthy through success of building something.

It is a bent world at both ends of the scale and I do find the them and us distasteful at both ends of the scale. There is a great line in Wall Street 2, probably the only good part of the film when money chap is asked by the nutter young lad from Transformers "what is you limit, where do you end, what is you walk away level that means you have enough". It is followed by a pause and the answer "More". Sums it up really, a mindset that I struggle with when I used to totally relate to it. Illness and old age I think softens you in some things.
 
Housey said:
Illness and old age I think softens you in some things.
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More than that I think - you seem to get two people in this world - some that can't seem to see more than the end of their nose and the next 5 minutes and others who learn from their experiences and see value in a broader understanding of the world they live in.
 
Housey said:
I have to say my mindset has actually softened with age when it comes to rich v poor. I am far FAR less **** the poor it's all their fault (it still is often) and far less the rich pay for you poor. It comes from life experience and more exposure to both.

I do alright, I live the good life with the toys and trinkets many dream of, but I have a few proper money sorts in my network and friends circle. People who have real money (which is not just a 1M quid house I hasten to add), the sort of money that lets them drop millions on a plaything. Many of them struggle when not in the company of 'people like them'. Not all I hasten to add, particularly the old money types who are just freaks anyway but fun freaks, but often the city types who were always destined to become fund managers etc (again not all), as opposed to the wealthy through success of building something.

It is a bent world at both ends of the scale and I do find the them and us distasteful at both ends of the scale. There is a great line in Wall Street 2, probably the only good part of the film when money chap is asked by the nutter young lad from Transformers "what is you limit, where do you end, what is you walk away level that means you have enough". It is followed by a pause and the answer "More". Sums it up really, a mindset that I struggle with when I used to totally relate to it. Illness and old age I think softens you in some things.
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Without the poor, there will be no society, at all. No factories, no roads, no development, no money for the rich, nothing. The rich must respect the poor and must be thankful to God that there are many more people around.
 
200sols said:
Whats the point of this? Rich people own more things than poor? Isnt that obvious?
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The supply of land is one of the most constrained commodities there is.

You can't treat it like just another commodity.

I don't think we necessarily want to give everybody their own bit of land (tho I wouldn't be opposed to that either). Frankly the situation with rentals in this country is truly intolerable. It is modern-day exploitation in a lot of cases.

There is an endless procession of news stories about rental properties not fit for human habitation (approx 1/3 of rental accom according to govt figures), some extremely poor industry practices, and a total lack of security for many people living in this country.

Now some people might say, "That's tough luck; should have worked harder and got a mortgage."

However studies have shown that "tough love" isn't a reliable model for getting maximum productivity from your workforce. Surprise, surprise, people are more invested and more productive if they feel their needs are being met, and they are valued, rather than treated as cattle. Some businesses are taking this on-board. Shame that our government isn't.
 
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