Amber Rudd fails to understand the internet

Dammed if you do, dammed if you don't

Interesting interview on R4 13:00 news : human rights/criminal investigators/prosecutors complaining about material having been removed from social media, and, the likes of google/face-book then empathising, that discriminating is a difficult task.
- These investigators clearly have no technical nous, to save videos/pictures.
 
Best thing you can do to stop terror attacks... STOP reporting on them.

If they weren't plastered all over the TV, Radio, Internet, Newspapers etc they wouldn't cause terror so pointless doing it.
 
AHarvey said:
Best thing you can do to stop terror attacks... STOP reporting on them.

If they weren't plastered all over the TV, Radio, Internet, Newspapers etc they wouldn't cause terror so pointless doing it.
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Yeah. This. In particular, stop naming the perpetrator (s).
 
AHarvey said:
Best thing you can do to stop terror attacks... STOP reporting on them.

If they weren't plastered all over the TV, Radio, Internet, Newspapers etc they wouldn't cause terror so pointless doing it.
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It's one of the biggest problems we have with terror attacks - and also grievance killings in the US.

I do think that these events have to be reported and I think that justice needs to be seen to be done - which requires reporting, but it's the nature of the reporting that's doing more harm than good, I'm in Los Angeles right now - not too far from Vegas, and the news reporting on the mass shooting, has just been psychotic. It has a level of intensity that does nobody any good whatsoever, I'm convinced that this level of endless sensationalist reporting has a ripple effect that alters how society functions and how people view things - which ultimately makes it more likely they'll be more "events"

Each time there's a terror attack, we have the same charade - deep level analysis into every ******* thing you can think of, "The terrorists name, who his friends were, the school he went to, his family, his influences, what he ate, on and on and on and on and on" it does nobody any good at all - nobody other than the authorities need to know this information.

For me, it's one of the biggest problems we have with terrorism - and what the US has with grievance killings, I'd also bet that when it comes down to it - these media companies have a lot more "real power" than any major government, they're such huge revenue generators - they can pretty much do what they like.

You have all of this - the government won't even acknowledge that it's a problem, despite so many studies that show it is - so berks like Amber Rudd go after the internet.
 
Screeeech said:
but it's the nature of the reporting that's doing more harm than good
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Indeed following Boston a number of interviews with 'criminologists' suggested this common sense approach eg
Criminology and public-policy professor James Alan Fox of Boston’s Northeastern University in an appearance on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” implored the media not to refer to mass shootings as the biggest of their kind, the No. 1, the worst, etc., as such superlatives, in the depraved mind of a would-be killer, may serve as additional motivation.
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Mr Jack said:
Far too easy to fake.
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the macabre example they gave was published killing videos, identifying culprits, had been correlated/corroborated with satellite data, showing aftermath of the atrocity
 
Mr Jack said:
Yeah. This. In particular, stop naming the perpetrator (s).
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Or just name them all "tool of another person", as that's an accurate description. Their name is irrelevant because they chose to be another person's tool, i.e. a thing, a non-person. I have a screwdriver here on my desk. It doesn't have a name.
 
Angilion said:
Or just name them all "tool of another person", as that's an accurate description. Their name is irrelevant because they chose to be another person's tool, i.e. a thing, a non-person. I have a screwdriver here on my desk. It doesn't have a name.
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Perhaps, although we give groups like ISIS and Al Qaeda undue "credit" for the actions of minimally related attackers already.
 
Angilion said:
Or just name them all "tool of another person", as that's an accurate description. Their name is irrelevant because they chose to be another person's tool, i.e. a thing, a non-person. I have a screwdriver here on my desk. It doesn't have a name.
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If they insist on doing news stories on terrorism, they should get that Aussie guy who does the voice over / commentary to do the story. Turn the terrorists in to a joke we laugh at.
 
I admit I have not read all this thread but YES !

She also has no idea about what encryption is but that is beyond her pay grade I guess, although a lot higher than mine to say the least.
 
So Amber Rudd on her silicon valley visit is advertising this new software the government contributed 500K to.
(Since it is free maybe OCUK can embed it? "stop the spread of the “poisonous” material.").

Artificial intelligence technology that can detect Isis videos and prevent them from being uploaded is being released to stop the spread of the “poisonous” material.
Developers funded by the Home Office are sharing their software for free with any website or app in the world in the hope it will make the terrorist group’s propaganda harder to access and share.
Tests suggest it can detect 94 per cent of Isis videos and makes so few mistakes that a single person could moderate borderline cases for the whole of YouTube.

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Dr Marc Warner, chief executive of ASI Data Science, told The Independent the technology’s success depends on how many companies build it into their systems but “we hope that this can play its part in removing extremist content from the web”.
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Is there any information how this compares to anything that Google/Facebook already use ? (and should be sharing for free ?)
The security services gchq/homeland must already be masters at this art, so this represent commercial attempts to imitate that, albeit intelligence they gain from social media could be diminished if the commercial offering becomes too powerful - (better the devil you know)


Some information on ASI company who pedigree seems to be - with no disclosed security services contracts

ASI took a data science approach to model and predict visitor flow. It was possible to use wifi usage data to track crowd movement as people travelled between access points within the building, as well as to collate information on the amount of time they spent in each location. By combining tens of thousands of these journey maps, it was possible to see certain patterns among visitors emerge.

ASI developed two models for making smarter, quicker recommendations based on the sequence in which people shop and common pairings of items. Both models made use of a technique called collaborative filtering.
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AHarvey said:
Best thing you can do to stop terror attacks... STOP reporting on them.

If they weren't plastered all over the TV, Radio, Internet, Newspapers etc they wouldn't cause terror so pointless doing it.
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No, "wanting to cause terror" isn't high up on their list, killing non believers/jews/christians/"insert sect of islam they dont agree with here" is on there list.

What you say does apply to mass shootings like they have in america though, they always try to one up each other.
 
Surprised it's such a complex issue, the file has to be uploaded before it's re-compressed by the likes of YouTube etc, so why not just do a check sum on it ? Would be a pretty good start
 
*REBOOT* - so there was a back door in whatsapp - security service demand to access was a bluff

Mr Jack said:
Amber Rudd wants intelligence service access to WhatsApp and internet companies to "do more" to stop terrorism being shared. Okay, you might think, fair enough but then she says this:
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so there was quite a lot of discussion about whatsapp security during this thread ...

whatsapp just discovered the services had access, even on Apples, presumably 3rd parties were going to reveal the weakness so they made a prior announcement

https://arstechnica.com/information...loited-to-infect-phones-with-israeli-spyware/

not enough information yet to see how much the targetted devices are compromised beyond whatsapp

Assume they got our phones, assume they got our houses, assume they got us, right here, right now as we sit, everything.
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Ahh silly people, thinking ‘secure’ ever meant secure.

The only security is what’s in your own head, as soon as you write it down, speak or action it... it’s no longer private.
 
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