AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

[Thekwango]

Waste of time replying to be fair, his attitude is shocking at the best of times.

credit where credit is due though, he is funny. not intentionally mind you but funny nontheless. i love reading his posts about 'his' products - i wonder does he realise he's just a marketing tool or does he believe they are 'his' products?! his videos are the best though. the comedy really shines through.
i can understand his frustrations though. a lot of 'his' hero products are no longer worth the premium they once used to carry since they are nearly all intel systems.

 

[humbug]

You don't need more than 4 cores.

-Intel.

The good old days when life as a hardware enthusiast was so simple. To HT or Not?

 

[Thekwango]

You don't need more than 4 cores.

-Intel.

The good old days when life as a hardware enthusiast was so simple. To HT or Not?

i thought it was just dual cores were needed. isn't that what csgo runs best on?

 

[Ross Thomson]

eh... he does keep at it doesn't he?

TBF its better than all the pointless geekbench scores that keep appearing.

 

[humbug]

TBF its better than all the pointless geekbench scores that keep appearing.

They are useful for comparing performance to Zen+, but yeah that's about it.

 

[4K8KW10]

You don't need more than 4 cores.

-Intel.

The good old days when life as a hardware enthusiast was so simple. To HT or Not?

Hmm, AMD had a good hexa-core Phenom X6 but then realised that 4 modules (with Cluster-based Multi-threading) marketed and sued for it, for that matter, as full 8-core is the way to go from 2011 till 2017.
6 years in which AMD cooperated with intel for the aforementioned "vision".

Today AMD: hexa-cores for everyboday

 

[Ross Thomson]

They are useful for comparing performance to Zen+, but yeah that's about it.

when we see actual game and workbench differences I'll be interested but synthetics don't really mean anything to me unless you're overclocking. They do serve to keep interest up I suppose.

 

[Mensy]

Depends how long you wanna keep the CPU for. The R5 3600(X) are going to be the bang-for-buck gaming buy for sure but as next generation consoles will use 8 core Zen based chips, 8 cores will likely be the sweet spot in a few years.

Probably around 5 year. I have a 1070 gpu that may need upgrading in a few year so i wouldnt like to upgrade my cpu in a few year either

 

[DragonQ]

Probably around 5 year. I have a 1070 gpu that may need upgrading in a few year so i wouldnt like to upgrade my cpu in a few year either

Well depends what you expect from your hardware but, for perspective, my current rig has lasted 10 years mostly due to Intel's stagnation and the nice Xeon upgrade path (which doesn't really exist with modern platforms). I expected it to last 5 years at the time. Now competition has returned I am going to buy an R7 3700X or 3800X and expect it to last ~5 years. Worst case scenario I can bump it to an R7 4800X or something down the line but that's why I'm erring on the side of getting X570 for PCIe 4.0. If I was only expecting it to last 2-3 years then I'd definitely just get an X470 board.

 

[Drollic]

That Portuguese listing as per guru3d in case anyone missed it:

Ryzen 3000 Cores / Threads Frequencies Recommended retail price Euro
Ryzen 3 3200G 4/4 3.6 - 4.0 GHz $ 99 € 108.90
Ryzen 5 3400G 4/8 3.7 - 4.2 GHz $ 149 € 163.90
Ryzen 5 3600 6/12 3.6 - 4.2 GHz $ 199 € 218.90
Ryzen 5 3600X 6/12 3.8 - 4.4 GHz $ 249 € 273.90
Ryzen 7 3700X 8/16 3.6 - 4.5 GHz $ 329 € 361.90
Ryzen 7 3800X 8/16 3.9 - 4.5 GHz $ 399 € 438.90
Ryzen 9 3900X 12/24 3.8 - 4.6 GHz $ 499 € 548.90

 

[muon]

That Portuguese listing as per guru3d in case anyone missed it:

Ryzen 3000 Cores / Threads Frequencies Recommended retail price Euro
Ryzen 3 3200G 4/4 3.6 - 4.0 GHz $ 99 € 108.90
Ryzen 5 3400G 4/8 3.7 - 4.2 GHz $ 149 € 163.90
Ryzen 5 3600 6/12 3.6 - 4.2 GHz $ 199 € 218.90
Ryzen 5 3600X 6/12 3.8 - 4.4 GHz $ 249 € 273.90
Ryzen 7 3700X 8/16 3.6 - 4.5 GHz $ 329 € 361.90
Ryzen 7 3800X 8/16 3.9 - 4.5 GHz $ 399 € 438.90
Ryzen 9 3900X 12/24 3.8 - 4.6 GHz $ 499 € 548.90

Seems pretty good. I reckon we might get a further €10 knocked off those higher end chips on release which would put it at a straight conversion + VAT.

Note Portugal has 23% VAT I believe, and the current exchange rate is £1:€1.12.

 

[Journey]

@orbitalwalsh I see one of the big French component retailers accidentally reduced their Ryzen 2xxx prices a little early. €89.96 for the R5 2600, and €209.96 for the 2700X, they aren't supposed to be going down for another week, I guess they go the wrong Monday, oops!

 

[Plec]

€89.96 for the R5 2600, and €209.96 for the 2700X

This will solve some budget build issues in another forum, when they hit the UK. That 2600 price is nuts...

 

[Journey]

This will solve some budget build issues in another forum, when they hit the UK. That 2600 price is nuts...

It's not that nuts, you've been able to get a Ryzen 5 1600 (OEM) for $94 (~£74) delivered for a good while now, I think they neglected to add the VAT though since I was told they'd be <£109, and that €89.96 puts them at ~£80+ Vat which is near enough going to be £99.

 

[Plec]

It's not that nuts, you've been able to get a Ryzen 5 1600 (OEM) for $94 (~£74) delivered for a good while now, I think they neglected to add the VAT though since I was told they'd be <£109, and that €89.96 puts them at ~£80+ Vat which is near enough going to be £99.

They are if they translate to OcUK prices - £169 retail at present - and some members/buyers don't google (even with subtle prompts).

EDIT: missed OEM.

 

[orbitalwalsh]

@orbitalwalsh I see one of the big French component retailers accidentally reduced their Ryzen 2xxx prices a little early. €89.96 for the R5 2600, and €209.96 for the 2700X, they aren't supposed to be going down for another week, I guess they go the wrong Monday, oops!

currently £ 187.03 for 2700X and £80.50 for 2600X with current conversion rates.

though $ to £ is 0.79, and $ to E is 0.88

conversion rates never been my strong points , but shame POUND is so weak!!!!!!!!!!

have a feeling that is the single cause for higher Ryzen 3*** and x570 prices for ourselves .

seems 15% increase from x470 to x570 pricing was general ball park - looks like we'll take a higher hit .

LEAST it comes out before new PM ... lol

 

[Plec]

currently £ 187.03 for 2700X and £80.50 for 2600X with current conversion rates.

May get a 2600X/Carbon Pro for my son as a place holder and he can have my 3700X next year at these prices, as his Ivybridge is starting to feel the strain as he gets older.

 

[orbitalwalsh]

May get a 2600X/Carbon Pro for my son as a place holder and he can have my 3700X next year at these prices, as his Ivybridge is starting to feel the strain as he gets older.

just get 2700x - easier to upgrade his GPU later on and monitor for higher res or just upscale for GPU working harder

 

[chippy08]

Will my Asrock B450m Pro need a Bios update to use the 3400G

 

[Plec]

just get 2700x - easier to upgrade his GPU later on and monitor for higher res or just upscale for GPU working harder

He'll have my 3700X within a year or two - he can slum it with 2600X