You make some pretty inaccurate assumptions there. I'm 48 and have been gaming all my life and game every day. Not sure what age has to do with it. I would imagine there are people my age though who would spend a lot on a hobby item as I guess we fall into the kids have moved out bracket.
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You make some pretty inaccurate assumptions there. I'm 48 and have been gaming all my life and game every day. Not sure what age has to do with it. I would imagine there are people my age though who would spend a lot on a hobby item as I guess we fall into the kids have moved out bracket.
Tbh, I wouldn't care nor would I post about it if nVidia weren't pushing prices up across the whole range. I wouldn't ever understand buying a £1500 GPU, but I wouldn't care at all if mid-range prices were still £200-£220 (or thereabouts).
Instead the £1500 GPU is just a symptom of the market gone mad. You're paying more at the top end; mid-range buyers are also paying more. Lots, lots more.
AMD's new mid-range effort begins at just shy of £400.
The market is bonkers. The trouble is you (and many of us) are signalling to nVidia that money is no object. They can charge what they like and the cards will still fly off the shelves.
I say "the problem". Clearly that's not a problem for nVidia. Clearly it's not a problem for those doing the buying. So it's a problem for those of us who simply don't want to join in at these prices (or can't, as the case may be).
I'm not suggesting prices are fine, just that as someone really into a hobby, it's entirely feasible for someone to pay over the odds. If I paid 1500 for one of these cards (and I probably would depending on certain factors) it would still be a lot less than some of my friends spend on their hobbies even relatively. I'm not defending the price as I don't really feel qualified to have an opinion on the value of them either way.
It doesn't really seem any different to any other market though. I'm not sure what it's been like in the last couple of years but when I bought my LG OLED in 2017 the release price and for the first 6 months was getting on for twice as much as I paid as it got closer to the release of the newer models. Pure gouging of a new release.
The signalling that it's OK to companies like Nvidia is a tricky one. What we are essentially saying is you shouldn't buy something that you want to buy and will enjoy because we don't agree with the price. We might be right, but I don't like the idea of telling people not to buy something because I don't agree with the price. I can think of a number of things of off the top of my head that I wish were cheaper.
The market should solve this organically but with no competition and rumours of price fixing that's a no go at the moment.
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As I said originally "sure there are exceptions, but for the norm, who can afford these cards?"
the obvious exceptions are those so rich they just dont care, or those who’s passion is gaming and it’s their primary hobby/spends. We are posting on a pc parts/enthusiasts website - so arguably a breeding ground for the latter option… The demographic on here is likely quite removed from the global pc market, who will likely buy a good % of PCs from Dell/Currys/Wallmart/etc. We are the target demographic for these cards, yet it seems that the majority on here are also commenting that they’re just too expensive to be a long term viable option – thus my original comment that I cannot understand the intended demographic.
For Nvidia to release these cards at such a high rrp, they’re relying on the majority being able to afford them, not just the enthusiast. Sure, the 2080ti is arguably an enthusiast only card, but the entire RTX line is a surprising jump in cost. Meaning Joe Bloggs has to dig deeper for their mid-tier offering – it’s almost as if they’re piggybacking the popularity of PCP “purchases” with the automotive industry, hoping people are more comfortable with a flexible payment plan from Currys, so they can charge almost what they want for components as it gets lost in a small monthly fee… credit nation…
I wouldn't consider myself so rich I don't care, I consider myself pretty normal financially, and even then I can't see 1500 on a hobby as oligarch level spending. My last PC hardware purchase was 2 years ago, so 0 spend in that time. If I paid 1500 for one of these cards that's 1500 spent on my hobby, my only hobby, in 2 years. That doesn't seem outrageous but of course we are all in different brackets and spend what we can justify. I think in most markets people are having to dig a bit deeper at the moment.
I also think the cost of these cards is not just about baby eating Nvidia wanting all our monies. It's just the narrative people want to spin. I guess this chip was expensive to design, it is new tech even if it has teething problems (another gripe I don't understand as anyone who has had an electronics hobby for any length of time would have seen the same somewhere), there was clear gouging going on at a distributor and retail level and there is no competition for it.
Every new GPU release you see people saying I'm out, I'm buying an XBOX as it's too expensive. I'd still rather use that XBOX money and get a VEGA 56/64 or a 1660ti/2060/2070.
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Its definitely true that there is an older demographic of PC gamer, I'm not sure they necessarily spend more on PC hardware you'll get variances just like any other age group. Probably the biggest thing to change in recent years is gamers going from hobby > job like Twitch streamers. This group can justify £2k on a GPU and arguably get some of that tax deducted for being self-employed.
Personally I think consumers are just going to have to weather the storm for another year, I don't like it but it is what it is. The chances of Nvidia releasing a 2080Ti killer for a sensible price anytime soon are close to nil.
Personally I think consumers are just going to have to weather the storm for another year, I don't like it but it is what it is. The chances of Nvidia releasing a 2080Ti killer for a sensible price anytime soon are close to nil.
Bit weird. Flash the BIOS with the Galax 380W if you’re using a card with a standard PCB, then go wild.
For giggles I was running 2180/8200 with a more aggressive fan curve pulling 390W. Ended up flashing it back to the original BIOS as it boosts well enough without the extra power, and definitely cooler, but at least you should be able to test significantly higher clocks.
My Zotac is definitely power limited using the original BIOS. Maxes out at <310W.
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Can you still achieve that now?
He installed the galax but for some reason, before it would pull all the watts, now it pulls only the original tdp for the original bios, no matter the bios that's installed.
Can I message you in trust for a little help, would that be okay?
I have the money but there is just no way I'm spending £1500 of my cash on a GPU
I always tend to be a "bang for buck" kind of buyer and at the moment nobody has anything compelling that makes me want to shell out replacing my AIO Vega 64 from 2017
Sure you can but I’m at “work” at the moment. Won’t be in front of my gaming PC until 10pm tonight.
I’ll give it a go tonight and let you know though.
Might be worth posting a fresh topic asking people with non-standard BIOS on their 2080Ti’s if they are having problems too.
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I can't say I've ever refused to buy something because I felt bad that other people couldn't buy it at that price, too... And if I did decide to buy then I would be harming other people's chances of owning a similar item in future.
Who makes altruistic purchases like that? It gets parrotted constantly and it's ridiculous.
I won't pay the current price for a 2080ti for the exact same reason that I won't pay £5 for a bottle of Coke at an event... I don't care who pays what for bottles of Coke in the future.
Who makes altruistic purchases like that? It gets parrotted constantly and it's ridiculous.
I won't pay the current price for a 2080ti for the exact same reason that I won't pay £5 for a bottle of Coke at an event... I don't care who pays what for bottles of Coke in the future.
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^^ Agreed.
Nice cards just overpriced.
2080 Ti Super has my interest. When the price is right, it'll have my attention xD
Maybe in about 3 years time xD
'Looks at RTX 2080 (Non Super) with disgust'
Nice cards just overpriced.
2080 Ti Super has my interest. When the price is right, it'll have my attention xD
Maybe in about 3 years time xD
'Looks at RTX 2080 (Non Super) with disgust'
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Nvidia have lost a lot of goodwill at the moment within the PC gaming scene. In fact, i'd go as far to say they are fast becoming one the most hated firms among consumers.
Out of all the firms within the PC market they are the ones doing most damage to the platform due to their greed.
I don't blame those jumping ship over to console. The pricing of GPU's is ludicrous. Four figures for a Ti card, huge facepalm moment right there. By the time 2020 arrives you could probably pick up the PS5/Project Scarlett and a VRR compatible 4K/HDR TV for that price.
Good cards, but terrible pricing. Where is the value?
As for these super cards:
SUPER expensive
SUPER scam
SUPER boring
Out of all the firms within the PC market they are the ones doing most damage to the platform due to their greed.
I don't blame those jumping ship over to console. The pricing of GPU's is ludicrous. Four figures for a Ti card, huge facepalm moment right there. By the time 2020 arrives you could probably pick up the PS5/Project Scarlett and a VRR compatible 4K/HDR TV for that price.
Good cards, but terrible pricing. Where is the value?
As for these super cards:
SUPER expensive
SUPER scam
SUPER boring
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Yeah it is what annoys me - I don't care if the top consumer card and/or Titan are silly money, I might even buy them occasionally if I need the performance, but the lineup behind them is frankly unattractive with poorly positioned performance tiers and poor pricing - I wouldn't go out and spend BMW money on a Ford or Ferrari money on a BMW, etc. but that is basically what nVidia are asking people to do.
It has killed a lot of my enthusiasm for PC gaming (not that I'd ever go to console) with the result I've been dabbling more with older games lately than interested in up and coming ones though so many up and coming ones are trash anyhow.
Not to mention alienating consumers who bought said 4 figure card not knowing within 12 months another revision would come out faster than the one they just bought and to rub their noses further in it call it Super. Nvidia are heading for a fall.
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Go on how did you quantify that or is it just an opinion or 'feeling'
The same way we can quantify that statement regarding EA I'd imagine.
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The same way we can quantify that statement regarding EA I'd imagine.
How would that be?
What metrics would you use Headlines How would that be?
You tell me bucko, clearly you have some numbers for us?
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They haven't even been released yet, and we don't know the pricing!