Something super is coming...

StriderX · 25 Jun 2019 at 17:41

LambChop said:
Its funny how its always the ones that know nothing about people that have the most to say.

I'm not blaming individuals, i'm blaming the groupthink that ignores long-term trends because the cant look past their bias. I also don't need to know anything about the consumer when it's the same in any industry, look at Apple products, now totally atrocious quality because of the same bloody issue.

Not to say that Nvidia is bad quality, clearly still has a reasonable edge and if that's worth $$$$ to some then so be it. I just wouldn't be surprised if it ended up in the same territory, though there are several other trends at the moment that could make a discrete PC either pointless or extremely overpriced, again another "market controls what you can do" problem.

hyperseven · 25 Jun 2019 at 17:50

easyrider said:
Gibson is a guitar brand that have been around 125 years. Some of the finest guitars were made in the 50s and 60 and command high prices...some £100,000 up...

In the 70s and 80s and 90s quality dropped as the company got complacent...the prices remained high though and the company faced problems...this continued in the 2000s and Gibson tried to innovate and come up with some new designs...these were scoffed at by the guitar community and people voted with their wallets....they were no longer prepared to be fleeced by Gibson anymore so people stopped buying their guitars...Gibson faced bankruptcy but was saved from the brink by new investors...this lead to a new approach of respecting their customers and focusing on quality and standard designs again..the guitars that made Gibson great...

The consumer was implicit in this change...they had the guts to say enough is enough....it’s a shame people can’t do the same in the gaming community...and look at the bigger picture...products sell because people are willing to buy them...and ultimately allows the corporations to take the **** out of its customers....

I’m going to reward AMD for its innovation in the cpu sector...a stagnant market for a decade...I’ll be buying a 12/24 thread 3900x for the same price as a 8/16 9900k...

I’m voting with my wallet...NV don’t deserve 1300 quid from me for their silly 2080ti that will soon be dead by the super with probably even higher prices...

I’ll never be playing their game...

Where are you getting this 1300 from :confused:

easyrider · 25 Jun 2019 at 18:05

hyperseven said:
Where are you getting this 1300 from

I look at the cards I want to buy and only will ever buy Gigabyte and EVGA...They were close to 1300 on release...The Gigabyte 2080ti equivalent of my 1080ti is £1170 and the EVGA £1200 IIRC both were more expensive at launch when you could actually get an aftermarket 2080ti and not the FE.

The Palit cards and clown cards are not on my radar and never will be....what with high pricing, Space invaders issues and only 30% more speed for double the cost I was not prepared to bend over for NV.

max2dapower · 25 Jun 2019 at 18:17

Do we know much faster the new Super cards will be? Sorry new to the party here

. The 2080ti successor anyway.

BigBANGtheory · 25 Jun 2019 at 18:50

dessimpson said:
I got an MSI 2080ti last week for £900. That's the same price as my Maxwell Titan X's. My 1080ti was £780.
TBH. I just bought it because I could. It's not much quicker than my 1080ti.

1080Ti was over priced too imho

StriderX · 25 Jun 2019 at 18:52

BigBANGtheory said:
1080Ti was over priced too imho

Not really, it was in line with such flagships all back to the 8800 GTX plus inflation. In fact it was cheaper... by about $100.

The 2080ti is 30-40% above inflation compared to the 1080 ti in 2017.

(RRP prices only, not AIB gouging)

DELETED_195422 · 25 Jun 2019 at 19:41

Wouldn't surprise me if Nvidia cut the price or released new GPUs to undermine the PS5/Project Scarlett next year.

They must know some consumers are thinking about jumping ship over to consoles. If not, then they better.

Rroff · 25 Jun 2019 at 19:45

Rock_n_Roll said:
Wouldn't surprise me if Nvidia cut the price or released new GPUs to undermine the PS5/Project Scarlett next year.

They must know some consumers are thinking about jumping ship over to consoles. If not, then they better.

I dunno I get the feeling nVidia of late is being obstinate and it is the customer that should adapt not them kind of mentality. Ultimately companies like that tend to learn the hard way but only when they've alienated a critical mass of their customer base.

Look at the shower of **** that is GeForce Experience these days for instance compared to how it used to be previous to version 3 when it used to be more responsive to what end users wanted from it rather than what nVidia wanted to cram down people's throats.

vapor matt · 25 Jun 2019 at 20:09

I think give it a year or so when the PS5 and new Xbox have been released and dev's are coding for them on AMD hardware you will see nvidia starting to lose the plot, AMD will be sitting pretty, both game consoles and Navi 20 for PC's why should game devs put any time into Nvidia just for high end GFX cards
no one will be able to afford. Most of the games will be ports over to PC and will most likely run better on AMD hardware. Even if Nvidia still hold the performance crown would it make any difference getting 150fps to 120fps on AMD hardware not really, if the games runs smoother on AMD then people will go that way.

AMD's future looks brighter than Nvidia's across many markets, consoles being top.

StriderX · 25 Jun 2019 at 20:12

Nvidia is just going to do what it's always done. Flash money at developers and hope it's enough by pricing it in.

gpuerrilla · 25 Jun 2019 at 20:16

vapor matt said:
I think give it a year or so when the PS5 and new Xbox have been released and dev's are coding for them on AMD hardware you will see nvidia starting to lose the plot, AMD will be sitting pretty, both game consoles and Navi 20 for PC's why should game devs put any time into Nvidia just for high end GFX cards
no one will be able to afford. Most of the games will be ports over to PC and will most likely run better on AMD hardware. Even if Nvidia still hold the performance crown would it make any difference getting 150fps to 120fps on AMD hardware not really, if the games runs smoother on AMD then people will go that way.

AMD's future looks brighter than Nvidia's across many markets, consoles being top.

Very well put. I can see them going into other realms to be honest like AI and industry, large companies in the past have failed to adopt fast enough and end up sinking - its not beyond nvidia to have this happen if they are not careful.

DELETED_195422 · 25 Jun 2019 at 20:25

vapor matt said:
I think give it a year or so when the PS5 and new Xbox have been released and dev's are coding for them on AMD hardware you will see nvidia starting to lose the plot, AMD will be sitting pretty, both game consoles and Navi 20 for PC's why should game devs put any time into Nvidia just for high end GFX cards.

I don't know about that, journalists said the exact same thing for the PS4/Xbox One (this gen) in that games would be optimized better for AMD hardware and that didn't materialise.

Can't see that happening next gen either.

opethdisciple · 25 Jun 2019 at 20:27

Thing is... there ARE many games existing and coming using RTX tech. It's not just a gimmick.

Yes the cards are expensive ad yes the tech is in it's infancy and yes we need at least one if not more generations until the performance improves but the uptake of RTX is definitely significant to be taking seriously.

Perfect_Chaos · 25 Jun 2019 at 20:33

Rock_n_Roll said:
I don't know about that, journalists said the exact same thing for the PS4/Xbox One (this gen) in that games would be optimized better for AMD hardware and that didn't materialise.

Can't see that happening next gen either.

Well next gen console graphics will probably be roughly equivalent to Nvidia 3060 GPUs so i don't think we have much to worry about, unless they decide even higher pricing again.

DELETED_195422 · 25 Jun 2019 at 20:41

Perfect_Chaos said:
Well next gen console graphics will probably be roughly equivalent to Nvidia 3060 GPUs so i don't think we have much to worry about, unless they decide even higher pricing again.

Thing is no one knows what GPU is going to be used in these next gen systems. Only info everyone knows is that it's Navi based and that could mean anything.

Also, it's an APU, no dedicated GPU is going to be used. Plus every component needs to fit into a small chassis, not to mention power consumption needs to be at a minimum. The system has to be under £500/$500, otherwise it's a hard sell.

I'm expecting decent hardware in these next gen systems, but nothing extraordinary and when they get released next year i think many will be underwhelmed by all the hype.

Illuminist · 25 Jun 2019 at 20:55

You guys forget, that nvidia are creating the market in their own terms the pricing is for the faster better gpus, people are buying it, proving their way of doing things is working by not actually giving you a choice. You thinking gaming, you think nvidia, they have mind washed the planet. Literally.

StriderX · 25 Jun 2019 at 21:09

opethdisciple said:
Thing is... there ARE many games existing and coming using RTX tech. It's not just a gimmick.

Yes the cards are expensive ad yes the tech is in it's infancy and yes we need at least one if not more generations until the performance improves but the uptake of RTX is definitely significant to be taking seriously.

How much die real estate would you give up on the raster side to achieve that? As Turing is a rather chunky monster as it is.

Teh_Next · 25 Jun 2019 at 22:08

Rock_n_Roll said:
Also, it's an APU, no dedicated GPU is going to be used. Plus every component needs to fit into a small chassis, not to mention power consumption needs to be at a minimum. The system has to be under £500/$500, otherwise it's a hard sell.
.

They'll have an SoC on a single function block that fits, component fitting shouldn't be much of a headache. It probably does have to come in at £500 mark in order to appeal to parents of kids that want them as opposed to the expendable income market that PS1 targeted, that's surely been matched with the Fortnite generation of gamers now.

Zernath · 25 Jun 2019 at 22:15

opethdisciple said:
Thing is... there ARE many games existing and coming using RTX tech. It's not just a gimmick.

Yes the cards are expensive ad yes the tech is in it's infancy and yes we need at least one if not more generations until the performance improves but the uptake of RTX is definitely significant to be taking seriously.

It's a gimmick with the current implementation. In the future? Who knows, but right now it's not worth the price of entry, in my opinion.

easyrider · 26 Jun 2019 at 00:58

Zernath said:
It's a gimmick with the current implementation. In the future? Who knows, but right now it's not worth the price of entry, in my opinion.

Thats the other thing I find bizarre... The blind justification for Crap RT performance cause you have just ****** 1300 on a gfx card....

I'll buy a card £1300 GFX for RTX sure thang! But I'll switch it off as it kills my FPS